Brian, John et al,
So this points out that there are consequences for actions - even on the World level. I have learned from this exchange that I will advise manufacturers to only consider 'expensive' certifications if they can expect enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost. (Gee, seems like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any case). Anyway, a very interesting thread. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:000009cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or many other countries as well), then go to this website http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore". Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested. You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some sort of paid consultancy basis. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful. We are starting to get the "Big Picture". We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in. But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything. They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which normally wouldn't require any EMC testing). It cost more to get the DoC testing done then what the entire product sold for. If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in. But then again, maybe that is what they want. Thanks again for your comments. The Other Brian From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing regulations to erect trade barriers. Cortland Richmond 2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian _____ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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