Pete

 

Ref you 2nd para, that was my preferred approach/advice re a CBA on
certification costs, having, for decades and with quite a few companies,
experienced at first hand the costs of a company not doing its homework
first. Nevertheless, many marketing depts. (and some senior tech staff!)
still ignored the reality of what they were letting themselves in for L.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Pete Perkins [mailto:00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 18:42
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian, John et al,

 

                So this points out that there are consequences for actions -
even on the World level.  

 

                I have learned from this exchange that I will advise
manufacturers to only consider 'expensive' certifications if they can expect
enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost.  (Gee, seems
like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any
case).  

 

                Anyway, a very interesting thread.  

 

:>)     br,      Pete

 

Peter E Perkins, PE

Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant

PO Box 23427

Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

 

503/452-1201

 

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From: John Allen [mailto:000009cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian

 

If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or
many other countries as well), then go to this website
http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore".

 

Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they
send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you
can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested.

 

You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they
would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some
sort of paid consultancy basis.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful.  We
are starting to get the "Big Picture".

 

We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as
requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in.
But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything.

 

They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for
laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which
normally wouldn't require any EMC testing).  It cost more to get the DoC
testing done then what the entire product sold for.  

 

If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing
business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I
hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in.  But then
again, maybe that is what they want.

 

Thanks again for your comments.

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 


If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing
regulations to erect trade barriers.

Cortland Richmond

2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote:

Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including
regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere!

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK 

 

From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia

 

Brian,

I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide
presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their
products.  This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs
not issued by a Russian national lab.  The other CU nation's certs were
being rejected.  I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action
against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements.  But I
had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could
resume their exports to Russia.  The big-name labs with global market access
groups that I spoke with are aware of this.  This was the status as of
mid-summer.

Best regards,

Carl

On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote:

Greetings.

 

I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping
products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives
on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily
on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom
built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in
such countries without much trouble. 

 

However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of
the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into
Russia.  Any information on this would be helpful.  

 

We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire
gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an
accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections,
the works, blah blah blah.  This approach is totally out of the question for
the few products that we sell into this market.  Let's be reasonable here. 

 

So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment)
but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things.

 

I would love to hear from you.  Thanks for all comments and stories.

 

The Other Brian

 

 


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