So it sounds similar to the MD with respect to the LVD requirements and you 
don’t declare to the LVD.

From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz 
RFID

OK, the LVD does not apply, but all its provisions apply. Is that pernickety 
enough?



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On 2018-04-04 16:57, Gert Gremmen; ce-test wrote:

The LVD does NOT apply.

For elektrical safety and EMC the RED will use it's proper list of harmonised 
standards.

As says:

Art 1.4

Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject 
to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this 
Directive.

Art 3.1(a) says :

the protection of health and safety of persons and of domestic animals and the 
protection of property, including the objectives with respect to safety 
requirements set out in Directive 2014/35/EU, but with no voltage limit 
applying;
One cannot legally apply a directive and say at the same time that some part of 
it is not applicable. It's the objectives as set-out in the LV-directive, that 
are an essential requirement to the RED, not the directive itself. I agree that 
such IS somewhat obscurantist wording.

The fact that no standards for electrical safety have been published yet does 
NOT help in good understanding the directives wording, of course.

Gert Gremmen
On 4-4-2018 17:44, John Woodgate wrote:
Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without 
its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly.



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On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Blackham wrote:
The LVD is cited, but the RED is the applicable Directive, as per article Art. 
1.4 of the RED which states



“Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be 
subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of 
Article 3(1) of this Directive.”

In due course, all product EMF standards will be harmonised under RED

Regards
Charlie

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RFID


Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the 
Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless 'yyyy/nn' numbers 
instead of the titles of the Directives.

. The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage 
Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies 
the LVD without its  low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant.



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On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote:
John,

I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with 
products.

For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the 
correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a.


Thanks,

Michael.


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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
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RFID

SECOND RESPONSE

I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but 
are relevant to a different Directive:

DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL
of 26 June 2013
on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers 
to the risks
arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual 
Directive within the meaning
of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC




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On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote:
Dear Members,

Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices?

The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards 
(March 9, 2018).  It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID 
device.


EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless 
communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values 
related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 
300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear

EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station 
equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 
100 GHz), when placed on the market

EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station 
equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 
100 GHz), when put into service

EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless 
communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values 
related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 
30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the 
human body

Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Grace Lin
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