Hi Dave, It is new to me about this requirement.
Thanks, Scott On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 at 01:39, Nyffenegger, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > Also keep in mind the NSF standards generally prohibit the use of external > tooth star washers in food zones in food certified products. > > -Dave > > > > *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2018 1:04 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth > connection > > > > I have used IPC guidance in the past and while they have many good things > to say, the primary aim is for reliability. Product safety is considered > but of secondary importance in my view. Based on IPC workmanship standards > and the requirements of product safety standards combined, best practice > is to not rely on the star to cut through paint. If you study such > connections by disassembling, you will see a bit of paint or a single paint > chip at the bottom of the holes created by the star points. This is a > resistance point which may degrade over time. I much prefer to have the > metal surface spot faced or masked, conductive coatings excepted. The > purpose is to provide and oxygen free connection so the long term corrosion > effects are negligible. I believe the product liability directive in > Europe requires 10 years from the date when the product is put into > service. A safety earth connection seldom carries much current during its > life and may be called into service for full fault current at any time > during that period. > > > > Fastener torque should be high enough to secure the fastener just short of > deforming or crushing the star or other connective parts. This may take > some experimentation with a few test samples. Experimental test results > always supercede the tables and calculations found in the International > Fastener Institute (IFI) books. I use stars only for safety grounding and > not for conductors carrying very much current such as mains; steel makes a > comparatively poor conductor. Although there are some steep pitch stars > made of phosphor bronze and are suitable for high current connections. > External tooth has not been mandatory in the safety standards I use, but > the modern GTD tolerancing methods used by mechanical engineers often > result in fairly large holes. An internal tooth star may not engage the > metallic surface correctly. > > > > Best of luck, Doug > > > > -- > > > > Douglas E Powell > > [email protected] > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > Sent from my Android on the Verizon 4G LTE Network > > *From:* [email protected] > > *Sent:* August 8, 2018 7:22 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Reply-to:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* [PSES] External toothed star washer used in earth connection > > > > Notice that it is common to use external toothed star washer to > cut through the paint on metal enclosure instead of removing the paint for > earthing. The connection effectiveness may be affected with following > things > > - Sharpness of teeth on washer (some toothed washers are single sided > instead of 2-sided) > - Material of washer > - Paint thickness > - Screw torque > > Is there any standard to give the guidance of minimum requirement for this > purpose? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > Scott > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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