Hi Michael.
We have two adapters. 1. Adapter No.1: In stock, we have a lot of these adapter which is obsolete from the manufacturer, because they have not done the A2 approval (IEC/EN60950-1). We have will do A2 now to fulfill LVD and make use of all the stock devices. Valid DoC from the adapter manufacturer does not exist. 2. Adapter No.2: Fulfills LVD. Valid DoC exist from the adapter manufacturer. Both adapters will be delivered together with the main product (first no.1 as long as we have in stock, then no.2). Since the main product is a RED device, we are planning to list it according to the standards for 3.1a, 3.1b and 3.2. EN60950-1 is valid for the main product and the adapters. The adapters should be listed as necessary accessory, I think. Since we have only conducted a limited part of a radio standard, a Notified Body will go though our TCF and issue a Type Examination Certificate. BR Amund Fra: Michael Derby <[email protected]> Sendt: 6. september 2018 14:48 Til: [email protected] Emne: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] DoC - 3rd party device to be included? Hi Amund, I think a lot of it depends if the adapter is already available on the market in the EU; or if you are the first person placing it on the market? Assuming it is already on the market, and you are not the manufacturer of it, then you should not need to declare the compliance of it (with a DoC). However, your own DoC must list any critical accessories required for your device, and it sounds like this is an accessory for your device, which is important for the compliance. So, I think you would therefore list it as an accessory, on the DoC of your own product. Michael. From: Amund Westin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 September 2018 06:46 To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] DoC - 3rd party device to be included? Just to make it a bit more complicated …. One of the adapters we are using is not for sale anymore. But we have a lot of adapters in stock and we have made tests to include the A2 for IEC/EN60950-1 and the adapter is now good for LVD. But the original DoC from the adapter manufacturer is not valid (A2 missing), so in this case we might have to take the responsibility and issue a separate adapter DoC or the combined DoC (product + adapter) might be good enough? Have to think about this … BR Amund Fra: Amund Westin <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sendt: 5. september 2018 07:34 Til: 'Nyffenegger, Dave' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Emne: SV: [PSES] DoC - 3rd party device to be included? Thanks Dave I have also looked into different DoCs with no listing of adapters. I think it should be listed in some way, but not taking the PSU manufacturer responsibilities. I’ll check out with the local notified body. BR Amund Fra: Nyffenegger, Dave <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sendt: 5. september 2018 06:22 Til: Amund Westin <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Emne: RE: [PSES] DoC - 3rd party device to be included? Amund, I’d think (since your product conformance is only valid with specific adapter) your adapter must be included with your product when doing all the applicable testing to harmonized standards and in the technical file as a critical component and therefore would be inherently included in your DoC. But it wouldn’t be separately identified on your DoC. Nor would I think your DoC would simply include the same conformity statements to the directives and standards listed on the adapter DoC. I have seen other products that do not include the adapter in their product DoC. For example the product DoC would declare to EMC, RED, RoHS but would not declare to LVD that would clearly apply to the adapter. Likely in those cases the manufacturer chooses to have the option of using different adapters without changing their product certification. -Dave From: Amund Westin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 12:09 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] DoC - 3rd party device to be included? We buy AC/DC adapters form a major power supply manufacturer. It has all the papers in place as DoC, CB test reports and CB certificate. This adapter has been used under the EMC, LVD and RED tests of our product. There have been some questions if the adapter should be included in the DoC, because conformance of our product is only valid with that specific adapter. Even though the adapter has its own DoC, I think it is correct to include the adapter in our DoC since both parts are put together on the marked as a combined solution (in the same package). Do we take any unnecessary adapter manufacturer responsibilities by including the adapter type designation on our DoC? Any thoughs? Looked into the Blue Guide, but could not find any discussions about this. BR Amund - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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