Hello Gert. Many thanks for your reply. Your comments are appreciated.
Regards; Ian McBurney Lead Compliance Engineer Allen & Heath Ltd. Kernick Industrial estate, Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK. Tel: 01326 372070 Email: ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com From: Gert Gremmen <g.grem...@cetest.nl> Sent: 27 November 2018 09:28 To: McBurney, Ian <ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 55032 Hi All, The document below has been published very recently and shows how and why... https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM:2018:764:FIN In simple language, the EC court has decided that HS are to be treated as EU-law (Elliot case). This has a lot of consequences. In order to get a privately originated text count as law, the EC has added a number of conditions that standards need to fulfill. These find their base in the New Legislative Framework. Some of the problems with current texts are: * Not static (by undated references to standards), so "law" changes when referenced standards update, or referenced standards are withdrawn. ( the problem is here also that ESOs are private organisations (ISO,CENELEC, CEN, ISO) can change EU law this way) * Unclear/incomplete technical specifications , link between directives essential requirements and standards technical specifications * Ambiguous test specifications, often introduced by choices a manufacturer can make on its own, so as to avoid testing. * And many more, mostly of a legal interpretation nature. The problem is not that standards are not technically suitable to show presumption of compliance, but that they are not suitable to be used as law. Secondly, the ESOs and national committees are not (yet) fully aware of the consequences and are a bit reluctant.They have been used to create and approve HS on their own, where now the EC takes the lead. This creates problems especially for older standards, that have not been written with the newer standardisation requests in mind. To assess the standards for their suitability a number of HAS-experts have been nominated, and the iterative process of creating suitable harmonised standards is active for about 6 months. Gert Gremmen -- Independent Expert on CE marking Harmonised Standards (HAS-) Consultant @ European Commission for RED and EMC EMC Consultant Electrical Safety Consultant On 27-11-2018 9:43, McBurney, Ian wrote: Hello David. I would be interested in getting more information regarding these legal issues with standards and the court proceedings. Are there any published articles? Regards; Ian McBurney Lead Compliance Engineer Allen & Heath Ltd. Kernick Industrial estate, Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK. Tel: 01326 372070 Email: ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com<mailto:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com> From: itl-emc user group <itl...@itl.co.il><mailto:itl...@itl.co.il> Sent: 27 November 2018 06:07 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 55032 I was informed that almost all the latest versions of standards are being held up over legal issues since a standard was introduced as evidence in a court case. CISPR 11 and others have the same issue. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. LOD 7120101 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail : dav...@itlglobal.org<mailto:dav...@itlglobal.org>/dav...@itl.co.il<mailto:dav...@itl.co.il>/e...@itl.co.il rom: John Woodgate <j...@woodjohn.uk<mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 1:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 55032 I think it is still held up over legal issues, which may not be resolved any time soon. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-11-26 09:45, McBurney, Ian wrote: Dear colleagues. Does anyone know if the 2015 edition of the above standard is now listed in the OJEU for the EMC directive? I am struggling to find it on the website. Many thanks in advance. Regards; Ian McBurney Lead Compliance Engineer Allen & Heath Ltd. 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