Hi Ken,

Here's the source for one algorithm used in GTEM radiated emission testing.
There may be more but this is what I found.

*ETS-Lindgren GTEM Manual:*
http://www.ets-lindgren.com/sites/etsauthor/ProductsManuals/TEM_Devices/399250%20REV%20j_MANUAL_GTEM.pdf

See page 38 "Radiated Emission Testing - General" for an overview, which
describes a 3 position correlation algorithm derived by Wilson, et al. at
ABB.  Here's one paper that provides the algorithm details:  P. Wilson, "On
Correlating TEM Cell and OATS Emission Measurements", IEEE Transactions on
Electromagnetic Compatibility, Vol 37, No. 1, Feb 1995.  Couldn't find this
paper as a freebie online, but it's available for download on the
IEEExplore.org website (free for IEEE EMC members).  After reviewing this
algorithm I see it is not a simple transducer function like it is for
immunity, but instead it involves significant math computations thereby
requiring a computer algorithm.  One interesting note is that on page 40 of
this same ETS-Lindgren manual it states an MS-DOS utility program is
available for download on their website to assist with the calculations
(but I've been unable to locate it).

*NPL/York Measurement Good Practice Guide 65:*
https://www.npl.co.uk/special-pages/guides/gpg65_gtem
This link was previously provided on this listserv thread in an earlier
e-mail.  See page 16-17 "GTEM to OATS Correlation", which references the
following paper for the theoretical details:  Angela Nothofer, "Cross-polar
coupling in GTEM cells used for radiated emission measurements", PhD
thesis, University of York, Department of Electronics, December 2000.
Here's a link to this thesis but it requires login credentials to
download:
http://yorsearch.york.ac.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=requestTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=44YORK_ALMA_DS21221784140001381&indx=1&recIds=44YORK_ALMA_DS21221784140001381&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&frbg=&&vl(138704577UI0)=any&dscnt=0&scp.scps=scope%3A%2844YORK_ALMA_DS%29%2Cscope%3A%2844YORK_WREO_YORK%29%2Cscope%3A%2844YORK_ATOM_DS%29%2Cscope%3A%2844YORK_DIGLIB_DS%29&tb=t&vid=44YORK&mode=Basic&srt=rank&tab=tab1&dum=true&vl(freeText0)=angela%20nothofer&dstmp=1565825463456

Lastly, here's another downloadable paper by this same thesis author, which
on page 4 references the same P. Wilson paper addressed above (plus also
references IEC 61000-4-20):
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2e32/99409062dc3c683db97281d09891d7419518.pdf

In summary, the desired transfer function is not a simple equation but
instead is a math intensive computer algorithm.

Hope this is helpful.

Manny Barron
[email protected]



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:00 AM Ken Javor <[email protected]>
wrote:

> This isn’t exactly what I was looking for, which was an algorithm, but it
> is empirical data for particular GTEM cell, and it shows raw data in dBuV
> and the predicted far field intensity at three meters. The 20 dB/decade
> increase with increasing frequency is likely what prompted my analogy to t
> e difference between antenna gain transmitting vs. antenna effective
> aperture receiving.
>
>
>
> Ken Javor
> Phone: (256) 650-5261
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Heckrotte, Michael" <[email protected]>
> *Reply-To: *"Heckrotte, Michael" <[email protected]>
> *Date: *Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:34:58 +0000
> *To: *<[email protected]>
> *Conversation: *[PSES] GTEM cell used for RE measurement
> *Subject: *Re: [PSES] GTEM cell used for RE measurement
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> TX and RX equations are reciprocal. The measurements themselves are
> referenced to different locations, however we can address this. While the
> conversion between antenna gain and antenna factor does involve wavelength
> this will also be consistent between TX and RX after taking distance into
> account. Free-space path loss also involves wavelength, and is also
> reciprocal.
>
> Free-space theory, different distance references can be resolved using
> simple equations assuming far-field path loss conditions:
>
>    - For emissions we measure the field strength at [received by] the
>    antenna
>    - For immunity we want to know the field strength at some distance D
>    from the antenna
>
>
> OATS theory:
>
>    - Add in the ground plane and associated coupling
>
>
> GTEM theory:
>
>    - Associated coupling is different than OATS
>    - The measurement distance is not 3/10/etc. meters so need to develop
>    the equivalent of Friis equation for free-space path loss
>
>
> Finally, in practice we don’t take the same coupling factors into account
> when performing these two measurements:
>
>    - For immunity we measure the field strength using a (small)
>    somewhat-ideal battery-powered isotropic probe with a fiber optic interface
>    thus there are no conducting cables. Next we put a (larger) product in
>    place of the probe and the coupling is different due to device size,
>    cables, etc. Then we claim that the product “sees” the previously measured
>    field strength but we don’t actually make a new field strength measurement
>    with the product and associated coupling mechanisms in place. Hence, we
>    artificially simplify immunity, though this isn’t necessarily bad – just as
>    our simulated test field will change due to device coupling, an actual
>    field in the real-world environment will also change, just not by the same
>    amount.
>    - For emissions the measurement is made with all the various device
>    coupling mechanisms in place.
>
>
> Admittedly this doesn’t solve your task at hand, but perhaps it can shed
> some light on where you might make some simplifying assumptions.
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Mike
>
>
> *From:* Ken Javor <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 7:27 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] GTEM cell used for RE measurement
>
> I understand how the GTEM cell works for immunity. That is quite simple,
> as you say. It’s not as simple for emissions. I think an analogy is the
> equation for transmitting from an antenna is not reciprocal with receiving.
> One is simply a function of gain, the other involves frequency/wavelength.
> I too worked with GTEM cells in the past and understood better, and I too
> did a search and found the very complex formulae (!) but now I need to be
> able to get from a field intensity limit to the coupled potential at the
> cell coax connector, and I’m not finding that, nor a way to get there.
>
> Ken Javor
> Phone: (256) 650-5261
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"James Pawson (U3C)" <[email protected]>
> *Reply-To: *"James Pawson (U3C)" <[email protected]>
> *Date: *Tue, 13 Aug 2019 07:47:56 +0100
> *To: *<[email protected]>
> *Subject: *Re: [PSES] GTEM cell used for RE measurement
>
> Hello Ken,
>
> Thinking aloud here: would such a factor exist as a generic formula? If I
> think about this the other way round, putting 1V of RF into the coax
> connector will generate 1V between the septum and ground (or between the
> septums? septii? in the case of a differential GTEM like a Laplacell).
>
> This 1V will be spread over the distance between septum and ground,
> dictating the overall field strength. This means cells with different
> dimensions will have different factors. This is leaving aside the frequency
> response / VSWR of the cell.
>
> I do recall seeing some formulae for correlation between GTEM and OATS/SAC
> but that was a while ago. A quick google on the subject shows a few papers
> with lots of big equations.
>
> I no longer have my old copy of EN 61000-4-20 but there might be some
> interesting reference material in there. This standard also notes that many
> of its provisions only apply to “small EUTs” which is anything below a
> certain size in relation to the GTEM volume *or anything with cables
> attached* (which are “under consideration”)
>
>
> More practically, you could generate your own factors using an RF
> generator and an isotropic field probe and using reciprocity to flip this
> around to get a Volts out – field inside factor.
>
>
> Additional: There’s also this NPL / York EMC guide on “The Use of GTEM
> Cells for EMC Measurements” which has some interesting info in. Its been a
> long while since I’ve read it in any depth though.
> https://www.npl.co.uk/special-pages/guides/gpg65_gtem
>
>
> Hope some of this is useful.
> All the best
> James
>
>
>
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> *From:* Ken Javor <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* 12 August 2019 15:44
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [PSES] GTEM cell used for RE measurement
>
> Does anyone out there have a simple transducer factor that yields rf
> potential at the GTEM cell vertex coaxial connector for a given vertical
> electric field component coupling to the cell septum?  Purpose is to
> calculate gain/noise figure specs for a preamplifier used between spectrum
> analyzer and GTEM cell to measure RE.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Ken Javor
> Phone: (256) 650-5261
>
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