Charlie, Under the circumstances you enumerated, would you then recommend to the manufacturer that they put the
‘reduced’ CE mark on the RED product and also put the larger 5mm CE mark on the packaging? This would seem to meet all of the requirements. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 1067 Albany, ORe 97321-0413 503/452-1201 IEEE Life Fellow IEEE PSES 2020 Distinguished Lecturer <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org Entropy ain’t what it used to be From: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 1:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Reduced CE mark Dave The following is stated in the RED Article 19 General principles of the CE marking 1.The CE marking shall be subject to the general principles set out in Article 30 of Regulation (EC) No 765/2008. 22.5.2014 L 153/80 Official Journal of the European Union EN 2.On account of the nature of radio equipment, the height of the CE marking affixed to radio equipment may be lower than 5 mm, provided that it remains visible and legible. The issue is the interpretation of “on account of the nature of”. However, other Directives may also apply as noted in the RED Guide If the radio equipment is subject to other pieces of EU legislation which do not allow the CE marking to be smaller than 5 mm, then the possibility of using a smaller CE mark cannot be used by the manufacturer (e.g. RoHS). You are of course allowed to put the CE mark on the packaging where it is not possible to put it on the product (Clause 4.5.1.4 of The Blue Guide) If you don’t put a 5mm CE on your product then you may find yourself having to justify your position to a market enforcement authority doing a “desk top” audit Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Dave Wilson <00000271c3568f8a-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org <mailto:00000271c3568f8a-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> > Sent: 10 March 2020 02:53 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Reduced CE mark Hi listmembers, I came across a statement on conformance.co.uk regarding CE marking and size requirements. Although the date shows 2020, it references the R&TTE Directive, so I'm not sure about that. Anyway, it states that for small products it's permissible to reduce the CE mark to 3mm, and that this is based on earlier legislation covering marking text on products of less than 150mm. Does anyone know what the earlier legislation was? In the past, I've found some surveillance authorities to be sticklers for the 5mm minimum and wondered if anyone has been able to cite this earlier legislation in support of a size reduction. Cheers, Dave - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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