Brian:
I am glad you got the answers and help you were looking for thru the PSES forum. And all of you who is giving your thoughts and help, thank you very much. Please be safe Stay Home - Stop the Spread – Save Lives Best Regards Bansi Patel BRP Consultants <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] M: <tel:909-260-9403> 909-260-9403 IEEE, Life Senior Member IEEE PSES, Vice President of Conferences IEEE PSES, Board of Governors-at Large (2018-2023) PSES Virtual Chapter, VP Membership http://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/virtual-chapter/ Member Services Region 1-6 coordinator IEEE 1184, Chair PSES San Diego Chapter Chair ISPCE 2021 Symposium Co-Chair SPCE 2020 Symposium Co-Chair Symposium Chair; 2006, 2011, 2016 Symposium co-chair; 2017-2020 <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Please plan to attend: ISPCE 2021, San Diego, CA, USA; May 18-20, 2021 From: Brian Kunde <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 8:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] ROHS and DoC Our motivation for including information on our EU DoCs that may not be technically required is two-fold; 1. to better inform our customers, and 2. to reduce the number of questions/complaints from the field. We could drastically reduce the number of requests from the field if we provide the information on the DoC; in this case, the 2015/863 amendment. I agree that technically it should not be necessary, but there are benefits here to consider. And as far as I know, there is no rule against it. So why not? BTW, thanks to everyone who participated in this thread. It has been very informative and I appreciate it. Have a great Thanksgiving if you celebrate such a thing. We have the next few days off which I'm looking forward to. Brian On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 4:47 AM Charlie Blackham <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: A lot of articles were published when 2015/863 was published, so people are more aware of it that the other amendments, but RoHS compliance is very much a moving target due to a wide variety of exemptions and exemption expiration dates – such as this example: 6(c) Copper alloy containing up to 4 % lead by weight Expires on: — 21 July 2021 for categories 1-7 and 10, — 21 July 2021 for categories 8 and 9 other than in vitro diagnostic medical devices and industrial monitoring and control instruments, — 21 July 2023 for category 8 in vitro diagnostic medical devices, — 21 July 2024 for category 9 industrial monitoring and control instruments, and for category 11. By declaring compliance to RoHS you are automatically declaring compliance with all applicable amending Delegated Directives – none of these, including 2015/863, amended Annex VI which tells you how to declare compliance with RoHS: The object of the declaration described above is in conformity with Directive 2011/65/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council of 8 June 2011 on the restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment @Scott Douglas I presume the complaints were from customers and not market enforcement? Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Brian Kunde <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 22 November 2020 05:26 To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] ROHS and DoC Because we provide DoCs translated into over 30 languages, we try to avoid text that has to be translated. Our type of products do not have to comply with these new regulations until next year, but when we do, we plan to use the same nomenclature that is used for the amendments of Standards by using the Plus Sign (+). So under the RoHS Directive, we plan to list it like this: 2011/65/EU + 2015/863 Does anyone see any issue with this? Regards, The Other Brian On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:26 PM Scott Douglas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I used to get complaints I was not up to date when I said 2011/65/EU as amended. Now I say 2011/65/EU as amended by 2015/863. No more complaints. On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 12:57 PM Charlie Blackham <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Amund Whilst 2015/863 updates 2011/65/EU, you do not CE mark to it. The DoC must be to 2011/65/EU Some people concentrate a lot on 2015/863 but there have been far more Delegated Directives dealing with exemptions than just this one dealing with substances (https://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/legis_en.htm) Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 -----Original Message----- From: Amund Westin <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 21 November 2020 10:01 To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] ROHS and DoC For EU compliance, I assume Directive 2011/65/EU is still the correct reference to use? I see several parties who is referring to 2015/863 in their DoC, but isn't that reference just a replacement for Annex II in 2011/65/EU? Best regards Amund - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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