Bob,

 

IIRC (it's been many years since I dealt with these) in-home BPL devices are
considered to  be "carrier current" devices by the FCC.  I didn't work for a
manufacturer of such devices, but I was (and still am) involved in the EMC
standards writing business.  As a carrier current device Home Plug 1.0 (and
probably later) devices were subject to a radiated emissions limit of 30
dBuV/m at 30 meters.  The Home Plug Alliance took 25 representative homes
and found the maximum drive level that they could use and still comply with
this limit.  They then worked with the ARRL and notched out the use of the
amateur radio bands as they figured that the majority of people in the US
who would suffer interference and do something about it were hams.  Home
Plug 1.0 ran from 7 MHz to 22 MHz.  I tested some devices for compliance
with the FCC and CISPR 22 (at the time) limits for conducted emissions from
150 kHz to 30 MHz.  In the ham bands (where they were notched) they met the
Class B limits.  Outside the ham bands they were 25 to 30 dB above the Class
B limits.  So I took a pair of them home and compared then against my HF
station.  I was running a random length end-fed wire antenna with the feed
point about 10 feet or so from the corner of my office (and ham shack) at
the time, so I figured that if anyone was going to suffer interference, it
was me.  One unit was located adjacent to the ham station and the other was
somewhere else in the house.  In the ham bands I couldn't tell it was
operating.  Outside the ham hands it was on the air, everywhere.  It
obliterated everything.  WWV, international shortwave broadcasters,
everything.  That told me that the FCC and CISPR 22 (now 32) Class B limits
were plenty adequate but 25 to 30 dB above those limits was unacceptable.
You won't find a BPL device in my home because of these experiments done
many years ago.

 

I'm sorry this didn't answer your question, but I thought some historical
information would be useful (like how the Home Plug 1.0 drive levels were
derived).  I would recommend that you check the FCC Rules to see how carrier
current devices are to be tested, check the KDB for any opinions or useful
information that the FCC might provide on tis and finally, check with the
FCC lab people with any questions that you might have afterwards.

 

Ghery S. Pettit, iNCE

 

 

From: Sykes, Bob <[email protected]> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 8:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [PSES] FCC requirements for in-home BPL devies?

 

Worldly Experts,

 

I am seeking information on Regulations and Test Methods for in-home
Powerline Communication devices (Broadband over Powerline).  Primary
interest is U.S. (FCC) emissions.

The requirements for Access BPL (as defined in FCC Part 15.3(t)) are well
defined in 15.601, but for in-home BPL "homePlug" (as defined in 15.3(gg))
they seem less clear.

Does anyone have any experience/information with in-home BPL approvals,
particularly test methods/setup, that they can share?  I have read FCC
11-160 Appendix D.

 

adTHANKSvance,

Bob Sykes

Frustrated EMC Engineer

 

  _____  

Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If
you are not the intended recipient, please notify us by email by replying to
the sender and delete this message.

-
----------------------------------------------------------------

This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in
well-used formats), large files, etc.

Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to
unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> 
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html 

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
Mike Cantwell <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > 

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
David Heald <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > 


-
----------------------------------------------------------------
This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc 
discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to 
<[email protected]>

All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html

Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at 
http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used 
formats), large files, etc.

Website:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Instructions:  http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)
List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html

For help, send mail to the list administrators:
Scott Douglas <[email protected]>
Mike Cantwell <[email protected]>

For policy questions, send mail to:
Jim Bacher:  <[email protected]>
David Heald: <[email protected]>

Reply via email to