On Tuesday, August 16, 2011 09:27:58 AM Lester Caine did opine:

> gene heskett wrote:
> > I do, but the downloadable driver available there has no support for
> > an AGP version of the ATI Technologies Inc Radeon X1650 Pro family of
> > stuff. Which is typical of ATI, by the time they get poor, crashy
> > support in a linux driver, that card is obsolete and 2 years out of
> > the supply pipelines.  I have played this game with ATI vs linux for
> > damned near 13 years now, and 4 cards, with this card being the
> > latest.  That really is twice more than I should have been burnt, but
> > I bought that particular card based on Alex Deutcher saying it had
> > linux drivers. They were an unmitigated disaster. The very next
> > catalyst release for linux removed the ability to drive that old a
> > card, it was obsolete at 18 months according to their marketing
> > idiots.
> 
> Curious ... I've various ATI-AGP cards in Linux machines here without
> any problem. But I only run the real time stuff on ITX boxes, with 4x3
> monitors ;) Admittedly the nvidia drivers are better though, and with
> cards only costing £30 they tend to be what is on the spares shelf
> nowadays. That and the AGP motherboards go in the bin when they need
> replacing anyway :)

That may be in the future since agp video cards are rare these days.  That 
one is a Mach Speed V2DU IIRC.  It took the XP1400 athlon that ran at 
60-65C on a Biostar board, occasionally hitting the 75C shutdown, and it 
runs at 40C on the Mach Speed at the same 1400mhz clocking.  I always felt 
the bus timings on the Biostar were funkity, with data clashes all over the 
place making everything run hot.  The 25C diff in temps tells me I was 
right.

And just last week I pulled a pair of 256K sdrams out and put in a pair of 
1Giggers so I could run heekscad & qcad on it, at the same time.

This board has builtin video that is disabled since it shares system ram, 
poorly.  No chance of running emc with it.  Tried it once, when the board 
was new.

Staples, according to their web page, does have a 4x3 lcd monitor I'll have 
to go look at with a tape measure.  The width available could be a problem 
as its limited to what will fit between 2 studs when they are on 24" 
centers.  Or is without tearing that out and starting all over. Something 
that has been considered because I really need to get it rigged so I can 
sit comfortably if I intend to do graphic composition on that machine.  

What I really need is a bigger building, I have too much stuff in that 12' 
wide, 16' long mostly un-insulated shed now.  Something in the 16x20 range 
with a real foundation & floor in it.  Like that is going to happen on my 
remaining watch, at nearly 77 & diabetic.   Sigh...

Thanks Lester.

Cheers, gene
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