this is what we need to be working toward :)

http://www.faro.com/en-us/products/metrology/measuring-arm-faro-scanarm/overview


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:53 AM, jeremy youngs <[email protected]> wrote:

> sorry sent before finished , i agree with all of the other statements
> though
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>
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> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:52 AM, jeremy youngs <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > ted said
> >
> >  Even if it did, one would have to scan a "known-good-master" at each
> > step of the production for the test scan to reference against. If you
> > want accuracy, measuring scale on a single volumetric scan is near
> > impossible. You need to have many angles and views stitched together to
> > see past obstructions. Any imperfection in the part, including
> > unintended, is recorded [perfectly].
> >
> >
> > not exactly just compare it to an iges file that will never change . or
> > other parametric solid
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Ted Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In regards to a depth sensor, there's a good change Aram is referring to
> >> a Kinect or the Asus Xtion (Pro Live). There's been plenty of
> >> hacker-friendly attempts for "point-n-shoot" capture solutions using
> >> these over the years, adding to the laser-line, and distributed-light
> >> methods. The Xtion unit retails sub-$250, so it's an expensive
> >> experiment, but a contender for entry-level scanning - but it's only
> >> part of the hardware side. The DAVID project uses just laser and
> >> distributed light methods (at current, IIRC), so not a compatible
> >> software piece. There are retail packages that speak with a Kinect or
> >> Xtion, my favorite low-cost at the moment is Manctl's "Skanect", but I
> >> also like the free Faro (tickler), "Scenect". There are of course
> >> others. Most are Win32 or Win64 offerings only. OpenCV is often used as
> >> a framework for open-source attempts, so not all hope is lost if someone
> >> wants to try....
> >>
> >> In a commercial environment, I do create and provide "difference scans"
> >> of parts in some cases as required by a client, but it's pretty rare. A
> >> big thing to note about volumetric scanning versus probing is that
> >> scanning gets you a profile, and it takes a lot of time; probing gets
> >> you parametric data and can be extremely fast.
> >>
> >> To implement an in-process scanning technique effectively, I would have
> >> to do it in between machining operations - not just at the end, as one
> >> part feature may be dependent upon the next, such as a helical thread
> >> inside a drilled then bored hole) - and although most faults like that
> >> would cause tool damage, I wouldn't want to write part programs so that
> >> each individual feature is a separate operation (that's what automation
> >> is supposed to make easier!) - thus the logic decision as to how to
> >> "fix" the problem won't exist.
> >>
> >> Even if it did, one would have to scan a "known-good-master" at each
> >> step of the production for the test scan to reference against. If you
> >> want accuracy, measuring scale on a single volumetric scan is near
> >> impossible. You need to have many angles and views stitched together to
> >> see past obstructions. Any imperfection in the part, including
> >> unintended, is recorded [perfectly].
> >>
> >> Furthermore, the scanner is unable to understand chips, swarf or coolant
> >> sitting on the part - it will look like a fault in the part and raise an
> >> alarm. Get coolant on the lens and your scanning is of no value.
> >>
> >> Probing, on the other hand, can be more easily automated, and directed
> >> towards achieving the stated goal - whether or not a particular feature
> >> is within tolerance.
> >>
> >> I use both laser and depth-based scanning plus probing for a variety of
> >> tasks, but only probing on my machines.
> >>
> >> I would liken volumetric scanning versus probing to the earlier
> >> implementation of a webcam (camview by pavel et al, for example, which I
> >> really do applaud) for tool-length-setting (and more) versus a touch
> >> probe. Although I'm enamored with having a non-contact tool setter, a
> >> camera is much less tolerant of mistakes or changes in the environment
> >> than a touch probe. When you just want to get parts out, the touch probe
> >> "JustWorks".
> >>
> >> That's not to say that having a volumetric scanner as a tool in a
> >> machine isn't a possibility or a value, but the historical intent for
> >> LCNC not to require a "64bit 8-core watercooled machine with Cray
> >> loadbalancing (sic)" makes it a difficult challenge to have it
> >> integrated with LCNC. My preference would be to have it on a separate
> >> machine as a standalone application, but load the sensor as a tool when
> >> needed. The benefit is the automation of the motion of the camera
> >> (instead of human hand) which in that aspect, would return a much more
> >> accurate result. Since the software has to "chew" on the scanning
> >> result, it would actually be dangerous to have this type of interruption
> >> (and I guarantee it would be an interruption) to the safety of the LCNC
> >> realtime loop.
> >>
> >> Ted.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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