On Saturday 22 March 2014 20:49:47 Cecil Thomas did opine:

> Gene,
> I also have a home brew encoder disk and interrupter set up on a 9x20
> jet with a treadmill motor and an M60 controller.  I also have a
> similar setup on a Monarch 10EE with a 3.5 hp 350 VDC drive motor.
> I was having a random problem cutting threads on both machines. The
> thread was losing its pickup occasionally and wiping the previous
> thread.  This was an intermittent problem and it took a while to find
> the culprit.
> After watching a scope much more than I enjoyed I found that I was
> getting an occasional noise spike on the index interrupter which was
> of course the cause of the problem.
> My fix was to decouple the Vcc on every interrupter with a 1mf cap
> and I also snaked a length of "chinese fingercuff" braid over the
> outside of all the cables (grounded at the power supply end).  I also
> ran a #6 bare copper from the motor frame to the control box chasis
> ground.  I don't know if these attempts completely removed the noise
> spikes but I do know that I haven't wiped a thread since I did it.
> 
> If I ever do another backfit I WILL use differential interrupters or
> packaged differential encoders.  There is a lot of really nasty QRM
> associated with DC motors, DC motor controllers and relays.
> 

Thanks for the reply Cecil, but I've already been checking with a scope, 
plus I'm using a C1G breakout with has a tally led in every I/O line. The 
opto's I use are buffered, cmos output, and pull very hard to whatever rail 
they should be switched to at the instant. So noise is not a problem as 
even the ground rail is isolated from the lathe frame in the way its 
mounted.

When it happens, the lines involved simply go high & stay there.  I'll go 
get it off tomorrow, and open a drawer & lay a board on it for a work table 
so I can sit and fiddle with my rework station, which has tips down to 
1/32" in diameter.  When I carved it, the traces were only like 7 or 8 mils 
wide, and its been patched to add small pots in series with the leds so I 
can adjust the relative timing a bit.  Because of that, one could say its 
been hacked quite a bit from what I drew up in eagle about 3 or 4 years 
ago.  Throw in that the rat shack board i used only has 1 oz copper on it, 
its trouble. 1 oz stuff is damned fragile.  Sort of like asking if concrete 
will crack.  Wrong question, not if, but when, because it will... ;-)

When it did it to me this afternoon, I had already been on my feet pushing 
my bad back for an hour too long, so that was the straw that stopped me for 
the day.  Getting old is not for wimps, and I'll be 80 in October.  But I'm 
not built to just sit in a rocker till I stop, gotta be doing something.

I'll find it, possibly related to it being a double sided board with no 
plated thru holes, so it has to be soldered on both sides where a hole is 
used to get to the other side.  I may have missed at least one.

Cheers, Gene
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