Since this thread is heading down the path of DIY, and since I just ordered 
some more of these for a lamp I am upgrading, I thought I would mention this 
very useful LED module from Seoul Semiconductor which is powered directly off 
120/220V mains.  All that is required is a heat sink to mount it to and Bob’s 
Your Uncle.
http://www.seoulsemicon.com/en/html/application/application.asp?catecode=3011&subcode=28
 
<http://www.seoulsemicon.com/en/html/application/application.asp?catecode=3011&subcode=28>
This very bright one is going into my lamp:  
http://www.seoulsemicon.com/_upload/Goods_Spec/SMJE-XV12W2P4(0).pdf 
<http://www.seoulsemicon.com/_upload/Goods_Spec/SMJE-XV12W2P4(0).pdf>
They can be found at Digi-key, Mouser and various other places.
-Tom

> On Nov 8, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Jon Elson <el...@pico-systems.com> wrote:
> 
> On 11/08/2014 11:29 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
>>>> I wonder how long it takes to pay back the $75
>> difference at 9 watts?
>> 
>> 9 watts x 2000 hrs per year = 18KWHR/yr     @ $0.10 per KWHR that would
>> be $1.80 per year so a payback of  $75/$1.8 = $41.6 years
>> 
>> 
> I made up my own LED retrofits, because I couldn't find 
> anything that looked
> like it would work well.  I bought Cree 1W LEDs, and put a 
> string of 20 of
> them on strips of PC board material with little grooves 
> cutting the
> copper path.  Each LED has 2 square inches of copper as a 
> heat sink.
> I used commercial LED lighting regulators, which were pretty 
> expensive.
> I have these in the kitchen, where they are on a LOT of the day.
> One strip of 20 LEDs is brighter than 2 32 W 48" fluorescents.
> Not only looks brighter, but my photometer also says they are
> brighter.  I have them suspended inside the drop ceiling dual
> fluorescent fixtures with 2 x 4' plastic diffusers that were 
> there before.
> 
> I measured the power draw of the old magnetic ballast, it 
> was 103 W
> with a real power meter.  The new system reads 21 W.
> 
> I guesstimate payback in about 3 years.
> 
> I first did a 10 W unit with a power supply I made myself, 
> it has been running
> about 18 months so far, and is still working really well, 
> too.  I think if you
> use good LEDs at reasonable current levels, the dimming over 
> time will
> be very slow.  Cree has lifetime charts that show several 
> hundred K hours
> before significant loss of brightness.  I did make sure the 
> LEDs run pretty
> cool, much cooler than a lot of the stuff sold in stores.
> 
> Jon
> 
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