On Sunday 10 May 2015 17:41:01 Peter Homann wrote: > Hi Gene, > > The selective soldering machine I droll over is the KISS range by Ace > Production.http://www.ace-protech.com/product/kiss-100/ > > The have the solder bath on an X/Y axis that moves around under the > board. The Z axis is lifted on 4 screw jacks. When they first started > the guys were asking question about the best way to lift the Z-axis on > the DIYCNC and Mach3 yahoo groups. The system is controlled by Mach3. > I don't know if they still do. They have quite a lot of good videos > showing the process and capability. > http://www.ace-protech.com/video-library/
Looks like it does a pretty decent job, but having the job markers visibly trailing the board motion would bother me some, at least till I got used to it. But, he didn't use it for the whole board, apparently only for the thru hole parts. The SMT stuff I'd have to assume were done in a reflow oven? He didn't say, but it makes sense. Whole board at once seems like it makes perfect sense as long as it doesn't contribute to the infant mortality rate. > It is a really good example of a startup company doing things right. I > wish I'd considered buying one of their machines when they first > started up. It's never too late. :) > Cheers, > > Peter > > On 10/05/2015 1:21 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 09 May 2015 22:39:24 Peter Homann wrote: > >> Hi Gene, > >> > >> Yeah, it is does not always do a great job. It takes a lot of > >> fiddling to get everything correct. I'm still not entirely happy > >> with the results. > > > > And while I am obviously a fan of LinuxCNC, thats not saying there > > aren't other solutions if you are more familiar with Mach3. To > > quote a very old saw, you went to the races and ran what you brung. > > :) > > > >> As far as I can tell the best selective soldering machines use a > >> solder fountain. > > > > That I am not at all familiar with. > > > >> As to Mach3, I used it as that's what I'm most familiar with. I did > >> a great job of controlling the 3 axis gantry and I wanted to do is > >> as quickly as possible. Controlling the soldering head module was a > >> bit more problematic. In the end I used the G82 drill cycle (with a > >> dwell) and had the Mach3 macropump cancel the dwell when it > >> received the soldering cycle finished signal from the soldering > >> head controller. > > > > How is that determined? Perhaps by the amount of solder that has > > fed once it has touched the work and stopped till some melts? A > > smaller fixed amount, perhaps with a second or so longer dwell > > before the iron is withdrawn to allow better penetration into the > > gap between pin and plated thru hole? However I'd have no clue how > > to go about determining that exactly .075" of solder has been > > melted. Solving that by something other than elapsed dwell time > > would seem to be something that needed a good solution. > > > >> The reason for using a drill cycle was that I wanted to use the > >> excellon drill file from the PCB CAD software as the starting > >> point. I used Sheetcam to convert it to Gcode and went from there. > > > > Sounds perfectly reasonable. pcb2gcode does a similar file I can > > drive my mill with. All my comments are based on having a hot > > soldering iron in one hand since I was about 14 years old. And I > > had to learn the military way in '60 when I got hired on as a field > > checkout tech while building some of the first Titan ICBM's. They > > don't like solder, claiming if a wire wrapped around a turret post > > was more than 50% covered, that made it too hard to grab the end and > > unwind it, cold. > > > > Fluxes have come a long ways too since those days, unfortunately the > > hands are not as steady as they once were. > > > > So its safe to say that I am not the man I once was, even once. :) > > > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> On 10/05/2015 12:48 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> On Saturday 09 May 2015 05:43:10 Peter Homann wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> This is the soldering robot I have. It is based on a general > >>>> purpose robot, mainly used for applying glues, pastes etc. Mine > >>>> has a soldering head on it. > >>>> http://homanndesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl > >>>>e& id= > >>>> 53:selective-soldering-machine-mach3-&catid=35:smt&Itemid=55 > >>>> > >>>> I year or so ago I converted it to run under Mach3 as the > >>>> original interface was such a pain, as it only had a teach mode. > >>>> The conversion is detailed here. > >>>> http://homanndesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl > >>>>e& id= > >>>> 55:selective-soldering-robot-conversion-to-mach3&catid=34:cnc-pro > >>>>je cts& Itemid=55 > >>>> http://homanndesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl > >>>>e& id= > >>>> 65:selective-soldering-robot-conversion-to-mach3-and-smooth-stepp > >>>>er -par t-2&catid=34:cnc-projects&Itemid=55 > >>>> http://homanndesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl > >>>>e& id= > >>>> 66:selective-soldering-robot-conversion-to-mach3-and-smooth-stepp > >>>>er -par t-3&catid=34:cnc-projects&Itemid=55 > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Peter > >>> > >>> Peter, thanks for sharing. I'd imagine that once programmed, that > >>> thing can do the board pictured in perhaps 10 minutes a board. A > >>> bit too much solder according to mill specs, but still Sweet! But > >>> why Mach3? > >>> > >>>> On 9/05/2015 1:18 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > >>>>> On 05/08/2015 11:16 AM, Marcus Bowman wrote: > >>>>>> On 8 May 2015, at 16:46, Jon Elson wrote: > >>>>>>> Not bad! I have some ideas for making a soldering robot, > >>>>>>> this could be a good XY base for that. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I saw this as a result of a link in an earlier email from this > >>>>>> group. a couple of days ago. > >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9pd9sY0Tjg > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You are right - this is a useful looking keenly priced base. > >>>>> > >>>>> I actually did this on my milling machine, as a test. > >>>>> Results were not perfect, but showed the technology was at > >>>>> least potentially workable. I have since redone the thing > >>>>> to use thicker solder wire, I bet it would work even better, > >>>>> but have not set it up to try again. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jon > >>>>> > >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>-- -- ---------- One dashboard for servers and applications > >>>>> across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring > >>>>> support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and > >>>>> reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility > >>>>> with transaction tracing using APM Insight. > >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Emc-users mailing list > >>>>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >>>> > >>>> --- > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >>>> software. http://www.avast.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>-- --- -------- One dashboard for servers and applications across > >>>> Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support > >>>> with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that > >>>> give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with > >>>> transaction tracing using APM Insight. > >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Emc-users mailing list > >>>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >>> > >>> Cheers, Gene Heskett > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > >> software. http://www.avast.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>--- -------- One dashboard for servers and applications across > >> Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support > >> with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that > >> give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction > >> tracing using APM Insight. > >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Emc-users mailing list > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------- One dashboard for servers and applications across > Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with > 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you > Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing > using APM Insight. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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