Dude, drop the 2-phase bipolar stuff and move to 3 phase!  Or at least 
DSP drives.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nema-23-3phase-1-8N-m-255ozf-in-stepper-Motor-57mm-frame-8mm-shaft-57J1285-658-/262562493149?hash=item3d21f1b2dd:g:fMsAAOSwCfdXor7F

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LeadShine-3DM683-3-Phase-Digital-Stepper-Motor-Driver-20-60VDC-0-5-8-3A-NEW-/222183145504?hash=item33bb25c020:g:JU4AAOSw0kNXg2ZV

That's a programmable DSP drive.  That's a great combo.  3 phase's 
torque does not drop off until significantly later than 2-phase.  They 
run smoother and don't need dampening.  Torque numbers are not entirely 
equivalent since the 2-phase is typically limited by where the 
high-speed torque drops off, not the base torque.  There are larger ones 
available.

But programmable DSP drives alone do great things with 2-phase:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1PC-Leadshine-AM882-Digital-Stepper-motor-Drive-80VDC-0-1-8-2A-protect-function-/252635288934?hash=item3ad23c9566:g:MUQAAOSwT6pVmTam

You go through a setup, tell it to auto-tune for that specific motor, 
and it's unlikely you'll ever have vibration issues.

Danny

On 1/23/2017 11:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> I see some "Nema 24" motors at quite reasonable prices showing up on
> fleabay, in fairly high torque ratings, so I bought one 10 days back,
> since I need a stronger one, with perhaps a damper on it on my x axis. I
> bought the 8 wire model so I can drive it in parallel where I ought to
> be able to get 3k rpms out of it. The mount bolt pattern appears to be a
> duplicated of nema 23, but the body is just a wee bit fatter, the shaft
> is double ended 8mm, and the whole thing looks like it will fit behind
> the new apron with about 5mm of clearance between the back shaft end and
> the face of the bed.  So its perhaps 5mm longer than the double ended
> nema 23 rated at 235 oz/in in there now.
>
> So I need to locate a 20 tooth, 8m bore pulley before I make the swap.
>
> Now, I don't believe this is going to help with the resonance stalls I am
> getting at about 30 ipm, so I'm thinking of building a viscous damper to
> fit on the rear of this puppy.  But unlike the ones on my hf micromill,
> which are long steel spools carrying a 2+ inch stack of heavy fender
> washers with elastomer sheets between the washers, which are true shock
> absorbers as the resonance is killed by the frictional losses as the
> washers walk on the talcum covered elastomer, but I don't have room for
> a 2+" stack of fender washers in this spot. 5/8" axially at best.
>
> I do have room for a larger diameter assembly on the back, so I am
> thinking in terms of a 1/2" thick by maybe 4" in diameter alu wheel,
> drilling in from the side at a low angle to put a couple set screws in
> to clamp it to the motor shaft, and knock down 1 or 2 of my 00 buck 12
> gauge rounds, measure them, and bore as many pockets in the rim as I can
> fit leaving about 20 to 30 thou for the balls to move within the pockets
> filled with grease, and sealed over. A thin gasket to contain the
> grease, and a 1/8" thick cap ring with a pair of 0-80 cap screws into
> the fillets between the pockets should make a good torsional vibration
> damper.  Or plow a groove for a 1/16" o-ring on the outside of the cap,
> and the inside radius of the cap ring on one side of it. Useing the
> o-rings would tend to make the grease self distributing, and the small
> clearance might even aid in the damping if I intentionally plow a
> shallow 3rd groove between the grooves for the sealing o-rings would
> further enhance the viscous losses of the grease moving back and forth
> between pockets thru that narrow passage.
>
> What do the vibration engineers in this crowd think of this idea?
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


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