On 5/19/19 6:01 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:

> There are a lot of surplus Leaf batteries available. My opinion on
> these is that these were removed for warranty replacement due to
> overheating. These are air cooled and don't do well if they are rapid
> charged more than once during long trips. I am tending to avoid these.

I saw those Nissan Leaf batteries as related eBay links.  The price per
energy storage looked very good.  I assumed these were some sort of
warranty replacement batteries, but didn't search to learn the reason
these are on the surplus market.  I vaguely recall hearing of technical
problems with the Nissan Leaf.  If the problem was overheating when fast
charging or discharging in a car, that wouldn't deter me from using them
in an off-the-grid home.  It probably wouldn't be an issue in a properly
sized system, and the Nissan batteries could easily be mounted
vertically with air gaps and even inexpensive heat sinks could be used
to accentuate cooling.

I'd need to research the cell balancing and battery management as that's
critical.  A lot of those electronics are built into the Tesla battery
packs which sounds good, but it's proprietary so using them in a home
requires the batteries to be fooled into thinking they're in a car.  An
entrepreneur makes a device to do that.  Jack Rickard of EVTV.

http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=1FullpackController

I sent links earlier in this thread to a friend who used a Tesla battery
for his off-the-grid home, and he displays battery life in odometer
miles.  I think he largely does this for a lark and he displays more
conventional units as well, but keeping it in terms of miles, even
though not applicable to a house, does provide a battery life indication
that compares well to the original automotive use.  No doubt he'll get
more "miles" from his off the grid batteries than they'd get in a car
where they're typically charged and discharged at a faster rate.

Part 3 of the series, where the custom battery monitoring is demonstrated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIY2EWke-AA



On 5/19/19 6:07 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> (And, while we are at it, kWh is a horrible unit. What is wrong with MJ? )

Kilowatt hours is easier for me to convert into miles.   :-)

An American arguing with an Englishman over the metric system is funny. 
You guys invented this crummy system.  Just because you were smart
enough to switch to the metric system and we're still stuck on stupid is
no call for being cheeky.   :-P








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