Gene,
Maybe AI will allow the development of anticipation that allows LinucCNC
to control steppers in the same fashion as the integrated controller in
your system. I believe we have been users of AI for many years. The early
CNC machines developed the necessary electronics (AI) to enable the
functionality. LinuxCNC, et al, has been developing the software equivalent
(AI).
maybe AI is the key - AI = artificial intelligence or AI = artificial
ignorance or (I have seen several meanings for the acronym AI) and I seem
to notice more every day.
regards
Stuart
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 8:10 AM gene heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote:
> On 7/4/24 08:23, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > Gene,
> > Just picking a nit here.
> > Your claim of "A machine with stepper/servo's needs no PID's" is directly
> > countered by your previous statement "by the PID in the controller"
> > therefore the machine does have a PID somewhere.
> > I (and everyone else) know(s) what you meant. I just had to smile and
> then
> > I had to comment.
> > regards
> > Stuart
> +100 Stuart, BTDT myself. I should have said "linuxcnc" needs no PID's,
> The pid is totally in the controller, and linuxcnc knows nothing about
> it. I have 5 of those motors in the garage, 2 in the sheldon, 2 in the
> Z/B axises of my 6040 mill and one as an A axis on the GO704. 5 will
> become 8 if I don't miss roll call first, as I've now collected a full
> replacement for my normal steppers moving the GO704. I just need to get
> my leg edema from diabetes under control so I can be more hours on my
> feet to get it done. Its entirely too easy to forget that my next
> birthday in October will be my 90th.
>
> And 4 more are in various states of operational in 3d printers I'm
> rebuilding. The improvement of the print by the better motor control is
> very easily seen.
>
> > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:21 AM gene heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/4/24 05:10, andy pugh wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 at 20:32, Viesturs Lācis <viesturs.la...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I believe that I need to specify encoder-offset parameter, but I do
> >>>> not understand how exactly encoder-offset value for BLDC component is
> >>>> calculated.
> >>>
> >>> I think that the motor "zero" angle for the 8i20 is defined as where
> >>> the motor sits with V+ connected to U and V- to V and W. If this is
> >>> where the index pulse is, then your encoder offset is zero.
> >>>
> >>> You could do this with a bench PSU, but it's mayeb easier (and closer
> >>> to the real setup) to do it in a command-line hal session reset the
> >>> encoder to the index, then setp the angle to zero and setp the current
> >>> to a couple of amps (or enough to move the rotor) in each direction
> >>> and the encoder offset is the midpoint. (it's in counts)
> >>>
> >>> Things are slightly complicated by the 8i20 built-in lead-angle
> >>> calculation. (ie, you give it _rotor_ angle and it calculates _phase_
> >>> angle)
> >>>
> >>> eg:
> >>> halrun
> >>> loadrt hostmot2
> >>> loadrt hm2_eth board_ip=10.10.10.10
> >>> show pin
> >>> loadrt threads
> >>> addf hm2_....read thread1
> >>> addf hm2.....write thread1
> >>> start
> >>>
> >>> loadusr halshow
> >>> {setup a watch of the encoder index-enable and counts)
> >>> setp encoder.0.index-enable 1
> >>> {rotate motor by hand until the index-enable resets)
> >>> setp hm2...8i20...current 0.5
> >>> {note the encoder counts}
> >>> setp hm2....8i20...current -0.5
> >>> {note the encoder counts)
> >>> {maybe repeat to get good statistics)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There may be enables to set, it's been a long time. You might need
> >>> more, or less, current. Depending on the pole count there will be
> >>> several zeros, one is likely to align very closely with the index.
> >>>
> >>> If the encoder offset turns out to be zero, or close to zero, at this
> >>> point you should be able to scale the encoder to give a zero-to-one
> >>> output per _electrical_ revolution and connect the encoder angle to
> >>> the 8i20 commutation angle and spin the motor with current commands.
> >>
> >> Thank you for a very educational post, Andy.
> >>
> >> I personally have not used any BLDC motors as I've found the
> >> stepper/servo to be an amazingly better control for me. They do exactly
> >> what the stepper driver tells them to do as the motor is locked to the
> >> stepper drivers output by the PID in the controller, which LCNC is not
> >> aware of. A machine with stepper/servo's needs no PID's.
> >>
> >> But I've pinned the above post and others should too as it seems to be
> >> the best BLDC setup instructions we have seen here.
> >>
> >> Take care & stay well Andy.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
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