Dear Johannes and all,

Zygmunt Bauman's concept of garden is mentioned by him in his "Modernity and 
Holocaust" - which actually reads better in Polish, "Nowoczesność i Zaglada". I 
often talk about it in my own writings because it feels still very important 
today. The idea is that we are like gardeners, we make decisions such as 
mass-scale industrialized genocides as based on the desire for progress and of 
creating a beautiful design. He talks about getting rid of weeds not because we 
might hate them but because we believe they are useless of or the design we are 
planning, design of the world. More importantly he extends Arendt' assumptions 
about the danger of contemporary divorcing function and goal - the notion that 
others make decisions for us and we are basically only responsible for the 
immediate act or process that is our job. His claim is to return to some nine 
of, new but nevertheless morality which rests on our ability to think 

My take on this that it basically calls for our citizenship and active 
response-ability ann to Levinas.

I will continue this thought tonight - unfortunately now have to go back to 
meetings with my grads.

More later and thank you Johannes for your notes,


Sent from my iPad

On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Johannes Birringer 
<> wrote:

> Dear all
> thank you Monika for your text/introduction to your understanding of the 
> system of lament, and "public lament as performative and political act in 
> public domain"  
> -- this is richly evocative and will have to go back to your writing after 
> looking at some of your work (the slides, and the films or film excerpts you 
> include on 
> I am listening to the sound now, of two of your videos.  I was struck, 
> entering the site, to also find your reference to Cage's silence.
> on first viewing/listening, your visual-sonic work has quite a mesmerizing 
> quality.  I am just responding now, without thinking, to my listening, and
> also watching the face(s) of the women in your films. (this listening is now 
> private, at a screen, in the dark of my room). so no public lament this.
> But you stage these works in public galleries or spaces, and they are visited 
> by the "public". how then does such work function in an art context?
> can it become a ritualizing space?
> but i shall look forward to reading more concisely (see below) your position, 
> also in regard to the questions already brought up by Alan, when in his last 
> post he  speaks of
> the "overwhelming suffering of the world," stating that he does "not know how 
> to accommodate all of this".  This followed the conversation about
> pain, torture, memory begun by Ana. 
> This accommodation will concern us, in the coming days, i am sure.
> Monika, could you expand a little on your reference to Zygmunt Baumann's idea 
> of "gardening" .
> What idea is this?
> And Ana, I began to delve into your longer text on the migration from torture.
> It is a very complex and fascinating text, and i agree with Alan that the 
> "clickable words" are a rather amazing intrusion function of the website. 
> I clicked "perfume"
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> with regards
> Johannes Birringer
> dap-lab
> Monika schreibt:
> Interesting question below from Alan about the nature of video as a catalyst 
> for memory, pain and lament and later I would like to expand that part of our 
> discussion towards the performative and the circular in terms of the 
> relationships between cinematic mirroring and lament as well as pain. Just 
> briefly for now -- about torture. I am more preoccupied with torture 
> inflicted by governments, institutions and systems that often hide their 
> violence -- as you know only recently in my city of origins, Warsaw, a CIA 
> compound was found in which "suspected terrorists" were kept for a number of 
> years and tortured by US forces, without any real knowledge amongst the civil 
> part of the Polish government. There are thousands of examples of course. 
> Massive, systematic pain and torture systems, the ones that are pre-designed 
> by others, "enlightened", designed by those who are in power or who represent 
> structures of power and hegemony not because of hate, anger or any other 
> emotion but becau
> se of fulfilling some abstracted and pragmatic goal, akin to Zygmunt 
> Baumann's idea of "gardening" .
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