While aware of some of the lamentations explored by artists such as Martha 
Graham (who is not my favorite although I have a great respect for her) -- what 
I am working towards is a connection with the older, before now, before any 
specific time, lamentation. My dancer actually took me to Wender's film about 
Pina Baush last Spring, and while aware of her name I never really knew of this 
work until quite recently (maybe even Alan mentioned her to me a long time ago) 
but it took a person whose body literally inhabited my work 'Sustenazo (Lament 
II)' to "discover" this work and a feeling of connection.


On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:

>> which "Lamentations" are you refering to? (not Martha Graham's Lamentation?) 
> Book of Lamentations in English
> All Sandy and I are/were on about, I think, is the silence and the obdurate 
> that occurs in relaton to severe pain; I'm thinking for example of my mother 
> shortly before her death, when she had been anesthetized to alleviate her 
> suffering in the hospice. The silence is also the silence at the heart of the 
> signifier; the signifier is both suture and broken suture, covering and 
> dis/covering pain, naming it for those who are suffering, who can no longer 
> hear the name, who are no longer with us, coffin or not - when my father 
> died, there were issues at the cemetary about the burial of ashes.
> - Alan
>> Alan schreibt:
>> public lament and gardening
>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Maria Damon wrote:
>>> Is there then (I'm sort of assuming the answer is yes, but asking anyway in
>>> order to make it part of the fabric of the conversation) a way in which
>>> lamentation is also critique as well as community self-constitution, as in
>>> Lamentations?
>> Maria, I wonder what sort of critique would be possible? Lamentations
>> seems to bridge the political and the obdurate. When pain becomes
>> overwhelming, silence is at the core and the signifier dissolves; I think
>> this is also the core of anguish. One is left speechless. On the other
>> hand, how much clarity is necessary for political or 'rational' thought?
>> In an odd way this also brings up mathematical thinking - which, from an
>> outsider point-of-view, seems based on the manipulation of symbols, but
>> from within is much more of clouded movements with indeterminate focus
>> (see Jacques Hadamard). Thinking itself, in other words, may well have
>> less content than its representations, and certainly its representations
>> in virtual worlds, where everything, one way or another, is determinate
>> and rationalized on a pixel-by-pixel level.
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