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Johannes a quick answer to your direct question. I left Sweden when one million 
people voted for Sverigedemokraterna now the third party in Sweden. A xenophob 
party wanting forbid the begging and stop the immigration. 
I came back to Uruguay not because I am born here, where my Spaniard and 
Italian grandfathers found a good place to raise their families but because the 
Uruguayan melting pot felt now energetic and vital.  In jail we woke up six in 
the morning to see the flag being up and six in the afternoon the flag were 
down. 
We were tortured with the Uruguayan anthem sounding in the loudspeakers. 
No fosterland or country for me, thanks. 
Ana


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De: Johannes Birringer <johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk> 
Fecha:10/11/2014  14:50  (GMT-03:00) 
A: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au> 
Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] Mother Courage, Antigone's bones 

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small mix tape, with collected impressions, organized as a sounding board 
(inspired by Plastic Art Foundation).


-  Trashman 

Ana - just watched the first part of your friend Cecelia's documentary 
interviews with "Maria" begging on the streets of Gothenburg, thinking that 
Sweden is rich and blessed, and God looks after Sweden, and people there smile 
at beggars and are friendly. The Roma, she says, can make a living there and 
then return to Rumania for a while, support family there. Maria seems most 
pleased that her young children can learn how to read and write.

Olga writes that "the current events in my home country Ukraine are a good case 
study of patriotism" and evoke the possibility that you are "out of frame if 
you are not a patriot in Ukraine nowadays", and then responds to my question 
about the re-appearance of the Cossacks, the mythic figure coming alive and 
real again in the 21st century. My reference to the Samurai and Mishima may be 
forgiven. 

Olga also mentions the images (spectacle of the scaffold): < I came across the 
issue of beheading when I investigated representations of Chechen war. There 
were videos uploaded by Chechen fighters of beheading young Russian conscripts  
with knives that were circulating on the net. It caused an ethical outrage of 
the internet community, especially when Belorussian female blogger posted video 
on her website under the title: Chechen kill Russian soldies as pigs. She 
obviously supported Chechen fight for independence as the rest of democratic 
world ( but at what price?). To mock the morbid curiosity of internet users the 
false links were created that linked to porn sites instead of videos.>

John cautions and asks: " What is terror that is not seen except by perpetrator 
and victim? that is not discovered and written, talked about. Is it still 
terror? The media 'observer' changes things profoundly, but how?
  And in a sense I see this powerful question gain traction after Pia's 
response to Ana, about whether the observer was close (enough)  to actual 
killings, or whether the violations of human rights as ongoing intimidation, 
humiliation and degradation are not the terror we speak about, the real 
violence dealt out to all?

Sonja interjected:  "News desk is where Mother Courage is busy nowadays, 
trading, eating her children alive".


-  Glutmut


The odour of the burning flesh, evoked by Sonja's reference to concentration 
camps, resonates with several accounts we heard last week, also regarding the 
complex sublime threat manifested in the September 11 attacks. I walked to 
Ground Zero about 3 weeks later, and the stench was ghastly, and it sticks in 
one's body and clothes and mind for some time.  Carolee Schneemann, the well 
known body/performance artist, later exhibited her "Terminal Velocity," 
photographs as a kind of (she says)  "'In Memorium' -- an attempt to get closer 
and closer and closer to the representative figures who were either jumping or 
thrown out of the windows by the extensive heat and falling to their deaths [on 
September 11]. I wanted to study them and try to understand aspects of falling 
and what the absolute dynamic of gravity was going to do. I was not commenting 
on the social construction of information." 
[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/carolee-schneemann_n_4415261.html]



Then what courage, mother.

Agreeing with Fereshteh, I would also ask about identification with victims - 
nosotros somos x -  , "how to put myself in their place, to imagine their 
situation, but it is not so easy. The psychological pressure is so immense that 
no one can bear it"? 

Pia speaks of design, and the not-newsdesk patterns, "of some aspects you might 
not have realized, even if you heard about the bombing and blockade of Gaza, 
the “targeted” assassinations and demolitions of the houses of suspects and 
their families." The victimization (more secret, indirect, not public horror 
show). You answered my question of what you mean by kitsch

Threads of resistance are also mentioned by both Pia and Ana.


-  Alaska

Then the homeland, where do you go back to?  Olga's views on patriotism seem 
diametrically opposed to Ana's (Ana, why would patriotism or nostalgia seem 
foreign to you, what made you return to Uruguay? and how do you experience the 
militant fanatic believer, the one that, as Fereshteh mentioned, may stand 
quietly on the street corner to pass out reading material)?

Can we talk about knowledge or performance other than knowing, and Pia you 
raised a comparison, that we may want to address:
....<kitsch --  working in the most trite way on basic emotions. (And what is 
the difference to art aiming at evoking emotions? The difference might lie in 
the kind of emotions: Expected ones by a public execution are false, art means 
to generate genuine feeling. At least it is to be hoped that there is a 
difference.)>

Erik and several others spoke of "clichés" of terror and violence.  

Having attended the "Networked Bodies" exhibition at Watermans Art Center 
(London) yesterday, I could not help being distracted by the media art and 
performances there. Ka Fai Choy exhibited a mind boggling and disturbing series 
of movement experiments (filmed) that show him testing 'digital muscle memory 
movement design', learning movement through memory-muscle mapping and muscle 
memory transfer (shock stimulators, electrodes attached to arms and hands). On 
the first LCD screen, Choy is seen learning the radical butoh artist Tatsumi 
Hijikata's  1973 dance 'Eternal Summer Storm.'   Choy's work is titled 
"Prospectus for a Future Body".  
[http://www.ka5.info/prospectus.html]
[ http://issuu.com/mirena/docs/networked_bodies_programme_a2c24d4f34fbef ]

On the way home, I also read a dance review, of South African choreographer 
Dada Masilo's production of "Carmen" in Lyon, apparently severely criticized by 
French and Spanish critics as having "played too dangerously with
clichés of flamenco."  

Danger play, or "serious games" as Olga called them, seems to aggravate a sense 
of patrimony ("our" flamenco, how dare this black artist from South Africa show 
this kind of sexual violence against women through the sacred flamenco?).  The 
stink of property, degraded, of propriety violated.


   - Limited Hang-out

"I sacrificed myself for God" [Murat]

Reinhold writes: <A phantasm is anything beyond, it is part of history. But in 
form of trauma. It repeats itself but does not change and it does not get a 
form of public expression or of actualization which would be symbolic and 
unique at the same time. Art and the juridical take part in this kind of 
actualization......     Antigone buries Polyneices saying that his life was 
unique (and therefore more important than the law).>


"There is a balm in Gilead"  (traditional African American spiritual).

I thought about the testimonies heard here, and also the writing, the literary 
references many of us seem to make, references to so-called sacred texts, too. 
Is this not disturbing (Alan suggested there is no God, but that does not seem 
to hold true for many) ?  does our creative work, or our teaching or working 
life, "stray" into politics? can one "discourse" on terror for a month on a 
fictitious round table do anything, say on the level of working together? And 
how come the labyrinths of solitudes and other novels tend to seem inextricable 
mix ups of fiction and history, genealogies (family plots) and faith/betrayal, 
theological parables all?  Do these parables and psalms have a limited life 
span or are they design, según las lettras  [after the Word]?

Lastly, what part do art and the juridical take, as Reinhold suggests, in the 
ethical dilemma we have here, namely the talking (which has not stopped the 
terror, just as political summits have not reached agreements on action 
regarding climate change, hunger, economic inequality, wars on terror, wars on 
drugs)?



Johannes Birringer

(listening to tracks on "Massauu" by PAF)




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