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Murat you ask the same question I has been asking myself since I was first
tortured for 42 years ago. I was tortured by lovely normal people Catholics as
my family, going to mass every Sunday. All the people disappeared tortured to
death killed in horrible ways were tortured and killed by people as you and me,
driven by zeal and hate to everything we represented. We became their enemies
their "other", their dark brothers and systers their twisted selves.
In my book I told about how I went to a chapel in Madrid to confess and was not
aware it was an Opus Dei church. The old priest who confessed me asked me what
kind of feelings I had to my torturers. I was unsure I had never thought about
it. He said I should love it they were acting that way to save my immortal soul.
Ana
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> 23 nov 2014 kl. 14:05 skrev Murat Nemet-Nejat <mura...@gmail.com>:
>
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> My awareness of the history of Argentina is so much in clash with my direct
> experience of the country when I visited it last year. To every single
> person, the people I encountered were gentle, absolutely lovely. In fact that
> gentleness, in addition to the beauty of the country, were my total
> impression. On the other hand, from the corner of my mind so to speak, I saw
> mothers and abuelas demonstrating at the plaza de Mayo just in front of the
> modest apartment where the present pope used to live when he was the
> archbishop. Giving the children of the killed to the families of the
> perpetrators of violence to be raised is itself such a jarring act. Was it a
> new wrinkle of violence or cruelty (punishment!) itself (like the Romans
> turning the cities that resisted them into ploughing fields, the children of
> victims into executioner's) or were the adoptions odd attempts at atonement
> in a Catholic country? I also was told, by a Brazilian I was chatting with,
> the reason for the total absence of non-whites in the country. Unlike in
> Brazil, the indigenous population was exterminated by the Europeans.
>
> Ana, my question is: was the epic violence the history shows perpetrated by
> the same kind of gentle people I encountered or was it done by "another"
> separate people I never came across?
>
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yes Murat the Mothers still demonstrate walking around the Plaza de
>> Mayo, as the Abuelas (the Grandmothers) do. The grandmothers has
>> recovered 130 kids who were kidnapped by the military and given to the
>> families of the executors who killed their parents. One of them,
>> Macarena Gelman, grandchild of Juan Gelman, one of Argrentinas
>> greatest poets, grew up in Uruguay, in the house of a police
>> headmaster. She is now elected as deputy/representative in the
>> Parliament in Uruguay.
>> But many of the grandchildren are still unrecovered and their true
>> identity identity hidden.
>> Ana
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <mura...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > I was in Buenos Aires last year. I think there were still family members
>> > demonstrating at the plaza de <Mayo.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Ana Valdes <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
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>> >> The Mothers of May started to walk round the plaza de Mayo, in Buenos
>> >> Aires, silent, with huckles in their heads, carrying posters with the
>> >> images of their missing children. It was in the 70:s. More than 30000
>> >> people dissapeared in Argentina and Uruguay. Many were buried alive. Many
>> >> were drugged and thrown from airplanes to río de la Plata.
>> >> We are still finding old bones in hidden graves.
>> >> Ana
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Enviado desde Samsung Mobile
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -------- Mensaje original --------
>> >> De: Murat Nemet-Nejat
>> >> Fecha:23/11/2014 02:42 (GMT-03:00)
>> >> A: christina.spie...@yale.edu,soft_skinned_space
>> >> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] introducing week 3
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps the most powerful form of symbolic space is the plaza, from
>> >> Tienanmen Square to Tahir Square to Maidan (which is a Turkish word) to
>> >> Damascus to Taksim Square in Istanbul, to cite a few relatively recent
>> >> examples, the symbolic action most feared by governments. I wrote a poem
>> >> about thirty years ago "Fatima's Winter" exactly on the idea of the
>> >> square (attached to a tool) as a potentially revolutionary space.
>> >> Participants to our dialogue at Empyre may be interested in it. Though
>> >> published, the poem is not on line. I don't know whether I can include it
>> >> within the the post or attach is as a document. The poem is a few pages.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
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