Hi Ryan,
 
Thanks for posting this, I think it is very helpful.   I have some
questions in-line below:


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        From: Ryan Hurst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:35 PM
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: [Emu] draft-simon-emu-rfc2716bis-07.txt
        
        

        I have reviewed draft-simon-emu-rfc2716bis-07.txt and believe
that compared with the -06 text, this version has taken a step
backwards.  My read of the -07 changes are that they remove obligations
for RFC conformant certificate validation and authorization, making RFC
2716bis less secure than RFC 2716 combined with RFC 3280.  For this
reason I believe that draft -07 is not suitable for advancement as a
Proposed Standard.

         

        To address the issues, I propose that the current Sections 5.2
and 5.3 be replaced with the following text:

         

        "5.2 Peer and Server Identities

         

           The EAP-TLS peer name (Peer-Id) represents the identity to be

           used for access control and accounting purposes.  The
Server-Id 
           represents the identity of the EAP server.

         

           In EAP-TLS, the Peer-Id and Server-Id are determined from the
subject
           or subjectAltName fields in the peer and server certificates.
As
           noted in [RFC3280] Section 4.1.2.6.

          

           Where the subjectAltName field is present in the peer or
server 
           certificate, the Peer-Id or Server-Id MUST be set to the
contents 
           of the subjectAltName as per Section 5.3.  

         

[Joe] Why subjectAltName and not Subject?  

         

           If subject naming information is present in only in the
subject name field

           then the Subject Field of the peer certificate SHOULD contain
a E RDN

           containing the Peer-Id and the Subject Field of the server
certificate MUST

           contain the CN RDN containing the Server-ID.  If subject
naming

           information is present only in the subjectAltName extension
then the subject

           field MUST be an empty sequence and the subjectAltName
extension

           MUST be critical. 

         

[Joe] What is E RDN?  

         

           Although the use of  the subject field is existing practice,
its use in EAP-TLS

           is deprecated and Certification Authorities are encouraged to
use 
           the subjectAltName field instead.

         

[Joe] Are there other standards that are deprecating the use of subject
field as well?  (This is related to my first question above.)

         

           Where the peer identity represents a host, a subjectAltName
of type 
           dNSName SHOULD be present in the peer certificate.  Where the
peer 
           identity represents a user and not a resource, a
subjectAltName of type
           rfc822Name SHOULD be used, conforming to the grammar for the
           Network Access Identifier (NAI) defined in [RFC4282] Section
2.1. 
           If the peer identity represents neither a host nor a user,
another field

           type (for example a subjectAltName of type iPAddress
           or uniformResourceIdentifier) MAY be used. 

[Joe] There may be hosts which do not have a DNSName or Ipaddress (L2
entities), so I think we need to clarify the above text.         

           A server identity will typically represent a host, not a user
or
           a resource.  As a result, a subjectAltName of type dNSName
SHOULD be
           present in the server certificate.  A subjectAltName of type
           iPAdress MAY be used in the server certificate. 

         

[Joe] We probably need to allow various name types for the server as
well.  I think there still needs to be some discussion on how
subjectAltNames map to peer and server names in the case where there are
multiple subjectAltNames.  

         

        5.3.  Certificate Validation

         

           Since the EAP-TLS server is typically connected to the
Internet,
           it SHOULD support validating the  peer certificate using 
           RFC 3280 [RFC3280] conformant path validation, including the 
           ability to retrieve intermediate certificates that may be
           necessary to validate the peer certificate. For details, 
           see [RFC3280] Section 4.2.2.1.

         

           Where the EAP-TLS server is unable to retrieve intermediate
           certificates, it must be pre-configured with the necessary 
           intermediate certificates to complete path validation or 
           rely on the EAP-TLS peer to provide this information as 
           part of the TLS Handshake (see [RFC4346] section 7.4.6).

           

           In contrast to the EAP-TLS server, the EAP-TLS peer may
           not have Internet connectivity. Therefore the EAP-TLS server 
           SHOULD provide its entire certificate chain minus the root to

           facilitate certificate validation by the peer.

         

           Once a TLS session is established EAP-TLS peer and server 
           implementations MUST validate that the identities represented

           in the certificate are appropriate and authorized for 
           use with EAP-TLS.  The authorization process makes 
           use of the contents of the certificates as well 
           as other contextual information.  While authorization 
           requirements will vary from deployment to deployment 
           it is RECOMMENDED that implementations be able to 
           authorize based on the EAP-TLS Peer-Id and Server-Id 
           determined as described in Section 5.2. 

         

           In the case of the EAP-TLS peer this involves ensuring 
           that the certificate presented by the EAP-TLS server was 
           intended to be used as a server certificate.
           Implementations SHOULD use the Extended Key 
           Usage (see [RFC3280] section 4.2.1.13) 
           extension and ensure that at least one of the 
           following is true:

         

           1) The certificate issuer included no Extended Key Usage 
                identifiers in the certificate.
           2) The issuer included the anyExtendedKeyUsage identifier 
               in the certificate (see [RFC3280] section 4.2.1.13).
           3) The issuer included the id-kp-serverAuth identifier 
               in the certificate (See [RFC3280] section 4.2.1.13).

        
           When performing this comparison implementations MUST follow
the 
           validation rules specified in [RFC2818] Section 3.1.

           In the case of the server this involves ensuring the
certificate 
           presented by the EAP-TLS peer was intended to be used as a 
           client certificate. Implementations SHOULD use the Extended 
           Key Usage (see [RFC3280] Section 4.2.1.13) extension and 
           ensure that at least one of the following is true:

         

           1) The certificate issuer included no Extended Key Usage
identifiers in the certificate.
           2) The issuer included the anyExtendedKeyUsage identifier in
the certificate 
               (see [RFC3280] section 4.2.1.13).
           3) The issuer included the id-kp-clientAuth identifier in the
certificate 
              (see [RFC3280] section 4.2.1.13).

         

        5.4.  Certificate revocation

         

           Certificates are long lived assertions of identity. 
           Therefore it is important for EAP-TLS implementations to 
           be capable of checking whether these assertions have been 
           revoked. 
         
           EAP-TLS peer and server implementations MUST support the 
           use of Certificate Revocation Lists (CRLs); for details,
           see [RFC3280] section 3.3.  EAP-TLS peer and server 
           implementations SHOULD also support the Online 
           Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP), described in [RFC2560].
           OCSP messages are typically much smaller than CRLs which can
shorten 
           connection times especially in bandwidth constrained
environments.

           While EAP-TLS servers are typically connected to the Internet
during
           the EAP conversation, an EAP-TLS peer may not have Internet
           connectivity until authentication completes. 

         

[Joe]  This is somewhat different than what the current draft has
specified up until now.   I am a little uneasy with OCSP as a SHOULD,
are there other specifications which have such a strong recommendation
for OCSP?   

         
           In the case where the peer is initiating a voluntary Layer 2
tunnel
           using PPTP [RFC2637] or L2TP [RFC2661], the peer will
typically
           already have a PPP interface and Internet connectivity
established at
           the time of tunnel initiation.

         

           However, in the case where the EAP-TLS peer is attempting to
obtain network
           access, it will not have network connectivity and is
therefore not
           capable of checking for certificate revocation until after
           authentication completes and network connectivity is
available.  

           For this reason EAP-TLS peers and servers SHOULD implement 
           Certificate Status Request messages, as described in
[RFC3546] 
           section 3.6.  To enable revocation checking in situations 
           where servers do not support Certificate
           Status Request messages and network connectivity is not
           available prior to authentication completion,  peer 
           implementations SHOULD also support checking for certificate 
           revocation after authentication completes and network
connectivity 
           is available, and SHOULD utilize this capability. 

         

[Joe] A strong recommendation for TLS extensions is somewhat counter to
some of the discussions we have had in the past about keeping EAP-TLS as
bare bones as possible.   I would like to hear other's opinion on this. 

         

         

        Ryan M. Hurst

        Sr. Program Manager

        Windows Enterprise Networking

        [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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