> On 12 Apr 2021, at 18:25, Joseph Salowey <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>  I would agure there that the federation should have it's own CA.
> 
> That’s what I’m thinking.  But I could imagine hardcoded devices that make 
> use of it.  That’s all.
> 
> 
> [Joe] Relying on a burned in certificate this way seems like a really bad 
> idea.  What happens when that certificate expires?
> 

Separate the cert from the cert selection.  Don’t burn the cert in, but imagine 
a device that communicates out of the box with a federation service.  This is 
already done at higher layers.

Eliot

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