On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:11:02PM -0800, Watson Ladd wrote:

> This minor, probably wrong, technical point, underscores a broader
> deployability issue. Success of e2e email depends on everyone in the
> world doing something. I'd be more confident in our getting this right
> if people who understood the limitations and possibilities of webmail
> better would participate in the discussion, or if we had running code
> for whatever solution was being proposed.

Absolutely, the correctness of the ideas is only apparent once
there are implementations, and running code is a major part of
that.  The DANE SMTP draft was developed in parallel with an
implementation.  Work on both began in March of 2013, the implementation
was done by July, and officially released in January 2014, the
draft is just now in WG Last Call.

So for endymail, whether key management is via DANE or HTTPS, the
important thing is working code.  Fork Thunderbird, or Evolution,
do something real that's not just a toy.  The discipline of having
to create a fully usable implementation will bring all the hidden
problems to the surface.

-- 
        Viktor.

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