I'll need more info on the error to help, please give it to me off-list :)

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Carlos Soriano
GNOME Foundation
Treasurer, Board of Directors

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:07 AM Carlos Soriano <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Answering one of your questions, you can use gmail or github accounts to
>> log in, not need to create a new account. The UI should be self explanatory
>> [0] (if not, tell me). If you have GNOME account please log in using that
>> instead.
>>
>>
> So far, gmail works, but github does not.  (meaning I can't create an
> account using github according to one of my peeps here at work who wanted
> to contribute)
>
> sri
>
> > Also, let's please not make random mentions to "marketing team"... as
>> of now, it's just the Engagement Team and we also do marketing activities.
>>
>> I didn't understand this, what random mentions?
>>
>> [0] https://gitlab.gnome.org/users/sign_in?redirect_to_referer=yes
>>
>>
>> Best
>> --
>> Carlos Soriano
>> GNOME Foundation
>> Treasurer, Board of Directors
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Nuritzi Sanchez <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Carlos,
>>>
>>> Thanks to you and Sri for helping us get this started! I've wanted to
>>> move to a kanban board / PM system for a while now and this is exactly what
>>> I was hoping for. I think we need to discuss how to use it better and start
>>> creating documentation, but what we have so far is a good start.
>>>
>>> Some other things we should figure out:
>>>
>>>    - How can we make it easy for people to make accounts and join the
>>>    Engagement project? Many will not be familiar with this kind of system, 
>>> so
>>>    we'll need step-by-step instructions.
>>>    - Does everyone have the same permission level?
>>>    - Can we make multiple boards for the Engagement team? Also, let's
>>>    please not make random mentions to "marketing team"... as of now, it's 
>>> just
>>>    the Engagement Team and we also do marketing activities.
>>>
>>> Apart from that, we all need to understand that there will be a learning
>>> curve for adopting this new tool. We may need to run workshops (in person
>>> or virtually) to get people started using GitLab. We also need to create
>>> some kind of newcomers guide on our gnome wiki to help people get started.
>>>
>>> Overall, I'm really excited about the potential of this! I think that
>>> it's not just about current developers being motivated to participate in
>>> Engagement work, but also the other way around -- the more that Engagement
>>> folk can participate in the same tools that the rest of the community is
>>> using, the more likely they are to start working on other aspects of the
>>> project. I've seen a lot of interest from people who have wanted to join
>>> the Engagement team initially, but have hopes of easing their way into more
>>> development-oriented work.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to chatting more about this during our meeting in 15
>>> mins :) I'll include the call info below in case others want to join too.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Nuritzi
>>>
>>>
>>> Engagement Call Info
>>>
>>> *Friday, December 1 @ 16:00 UTC*
>>>
>>> *Join the call:
>>> <https://www.uberconference.com/gnome-engagement>https://www.uberconferen
>>> <https://www.uberconference.com/gnome-engagement>ce.com/gnome-engagement
>>> <https://www.uberconference.com/gnome-engagement>*
>>> Optional dial in number:  <857-216-6156>857-216-6156
>>> <857-216-6156;62777>
>>> PIN: 62777 <857-216-6156;62777>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please see the agenda here: Engagement Meeting Agenda
>>> <https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/engagement-team-meetings> [1], and here's
>>> a copy of the proposed items so far:
>>>
>>> *Discuss during meeting:*
>>>  * Mozilla joint announcement for university clubs
>>>  * GitLab for Engagement workflow
>>>  * Events in 2018 / SWAG Center expansion
>>>  * Patreon check-in
>>>
>>> *Do during meeting:*
>>>  * Social media for December
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Carlos Soriano <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> Since I was not subscribed before, I cannot reply to the main GitLab
>>>> thread. I want to put here the advantages and disadvantages I see of using
>>>> GitLab for the engagement team.
>>>>
>>>> I believe using GitLab for the engagement team will help improve some
>>>> of the weakest parts. I focused on the interaction of the engagement team
>>>> and the rest of the community, the tracking of dates, and assignee to 
>>>> tasks.
>>>>
>>>> I think one of the biggest issues has been the interaction with the
>>>> rest of the community . The engagement team is mostly a mailing list and
>>>> IRC, but it's not close to any other part of the developer community and I
>>>> have the feeling it didn't work as much as it could. Seems the developers
>>>> ended up not interacting much with the engagement team, and the other way
>>>> around. With GitLab you will be using the same infrastructure as the rest
>>>> of the community and the developers can take a look what you are doing, how
>>>> do you work, and what things have been happening to take as an example.
>>>> Also, developers will be used to the infrastructure and will be more likely
>>>> to interact with the engagement team. You can see this change already
>>>> happened in the short live of the engagement project in GitLab
>>>> <https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME-Community/engagement/issues/4>.
>>>>
>>>> For the tracking of dates, if I'm not mistaken it hasn't been done, and
>>>> in my personal case with managing SWAG it already failed once. Not only
>>>> that, but since there is not a comfortable infrastructure where to see
>>>> what's going on, nobody knew I was going to fail to send in time the SWAG.
>>>> I imagine something similar happens with publishing tweets or other social
>>>> media for events.
>>>>
>>>> Another issue is that since there is no clear way to have an assignee
>>>> to a task (afaik), the task can be forgotten or missed and potentially the
>>>> rest of the engagement team won't know who to ping to know the status of
>>>> the task. This happened also for me with the SWAG, since probably not many
>>>> people knew I had to send it.
>>>>
>>>> In general, I think the current setup of just emails and irc doesn't
>>>> work well, so I think some kind of tracking will be helpful, and if it can
>>>> be close to the rest of the community, even better.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I can see two disadvantages. One is that GitLab it's a technical
>>>> tool, and because of that the UI could be nice but it's technical. Second
>>>> is that it shouldn't feel like paperwork, it really shouldn't.
>>>>
>>>> The good thing is that almost everything can be automated, so I spend
>>>> some time today in creating good issues templates so you don't have to do
>>>> any paperwork. I believe the only paperwork the engagement team would have
>>>> to do is to close an issue when it's done.
>>>>
>>>> To try to fix the technical barrier, I created some documentation with
>>>> pictures and shortcuts links for common tasks. Take a look at the
>>>> readme <https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME-Community/engagement> and
>>>> specially to the wiki
>>>> <https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME-Community/engagement/wikis/home>.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think; and feel free to ask if you have any
>>>> question. I'll join the meeting today too in case you want to discuss it.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> --
>>>> Carlos Soriano
>>>> GNOME Foundation
>>>> Treasurer, Board of Directors
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ............................................................
>>> .................
>>>
>>> *Nuritzi Sanchez*  |  +1.650.218.7388 |  Endless <http://endlessm.com/>
>>>
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