i am also a very big admirer of Kabir. and i think he is the only man who
depart to haven with the body (As people says that only some flowers found
instead of his dead body after his death) . but my point was KABIR as a
philosopher, as a social thinker is bigger then a poet. poetry was a medium
for him to reach with in the heart of people. and he was extemly successfull
in that. he is the top saint in soofi thinking.
his poetry in very simple as far as words are concern but very difficult to
get the real meaning of that. people draw the massege from his poetry as per
their thinking . best example of this is following DOHA
'Guru govid dou khare , kake lagon payn
Balihari Guru Aapne Govid Diyo Batay'
translation : 'GOD and my teacher , both are standing in front of me, i am
undecided to whoom i wprship'
'I am very thankfull to my teacher that he has shown me
the god'
Meaning of this DOHA which most of the people heard
'this is the DOHA which in which kabir is giving telling that Guru (Teacher
) is greater then GOD. he says that my teacher and GOD both are in front of
me. i will worship my teacher first because he is the person who has told me
about GOD . without whoom it is not possible to get the GOD.
*Second Meaning of this DOHA
my teacher has shown me the path to GOD . NOW my teacher and GOD both are in
front of me. I am thankfull to my teacher that he has shown me the path to
GOD . now is role is finished. Now i have to cover my jurney to GOD on my
own.
in this kabir wants to say that if anyone wants to search the GOD then he
has to do o it's own. no body can take you upto the GOD. even guru can show
you the path. after that every one has to go on that path on his own.
*To me secod meaning sound nearer to soofi philosphy.
regards
Deepak
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks, for reading. As regards ur first exception, I and people in
> general regard Kabir as a poet and definitely a saint as I say so in
> my other post. As regards your second exception I agree with you to
> some extent. This is a brief history of Kabir.
> Six hundred years ago Kabir was born in India in 1398 AD. He lived for
> 120 years and is said to have relinquished his body in 1518. This
> period is also said to be the beginning of Bhakti Movement in India.
>
> A weaver by profession, Kabir ranks among the world's greatest poets.
> Back home in India, he is perhaps the most quoted author. The Holy
> Guru Granth Sahib contains over 500 verses by Kabir. The Sikh
> community in particular and others who follow the Holy Granth, hold
> Kabir in the same reverence as the other ten Gurus.
>
> Kabir openly criticized all sects and gave a new direction to the
> Indian philosophy. This is due to his straight forward approach that
> has a universal appeal. It is for this reason that Kabir is held in
> high esteem all over the world. To call Kabir a universal Guru is not
> an over exaggeration. To me personally, the very name Kabir means
> Guru's Grace.
>
> I have been personally very deeply influenced by reading Kabir.
> Inspite of the simplicity of Kabir's poetry, I must say, it is hard to
> translate. I humbly present some of his Dohas, Love Songs and Mystic
> Poems, in the following pages.
>
> Thank you,
>
> On Sep 20, 9:50 pm, "deepak mishra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Hello Ritu
> >
> > good poems of Kabir but i differ on two points.
> >
> > first , as you started kabir was among greatest poet it appears that
> kabir
> > was primarily a poet. it is never like that. He is the greatest saint
> under
> > sofi stream. and was a great great philospher. his experiences with real
> > life and god came out from his heart in the form of poentry.
> >
> > And second is in india hindi poetry is standing on three pilars 1) Surdas
> 2)
> > Kabirdas 3) Tulsidas . these three poets will be on heavier side even if
> we
> > put all other poets of hindi poetry togather. so kabir shares top place
> with
> > surdas and tulsidas .
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Deepak Mishra
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Friends, This is wisdom for u. ENJOY!!!!
> >
> > > Kabir ranks among the world's greatest poets. In India, he is perhaps
> > > the most quoted author, with the exception of Tulsidas. Kabir has
> > > criticized perhaps all existing sects in India, still he is mentioned
> > > with respect by even orthodox authors. Vaishnav author Nabhadas in his
> > > Bhakta-Mal (1585) writes:
> > > hindU turuk pramAn ramainI sabadI sAkhI
> > > pachchhapat nahiN bachan sabahiN ke hit kI bhAkhI
> > > [His "ramaini" "shabda" "sakhi" (sections of his "Bijak") are accepted
> > > by Hindus and Turks alike. He spoke without discrimination for the
> > > good of all]
> > > He lived perhaps during 1398-1448. He is thought to have lived longer
> > > than 100 years. He had enormous influence on Indian philosophy and on
> > > Hindi poetry.
> > > His birth and death are surrounded by legends. He grew up in a Muslim
> > > weaver family, but some say he was really son of a Brahmin widow who
> > > was adopted by a childless couple. When he died, his Hindu and Muslim
> > > followers started fighting about the last rites. The legend is that
> > > when they lifted the cloth covering his body, they found flowers
> > > instead. The Muslim followers buried their half and the Hindu cremated
> > > thier half. In Maghar, his tomb and samadhi still stand side by side.
> > > Here I quote some of his verses from his "Bijak", from the section
> > > called "sakhi". My translation follows the Gurumukh TIkA by Puran
> > > Sahib done perhas a century ago. He was associated with the
> > > Kabirpanthi center at Burhanpur. Kabir's writings can be hard to
> > > translate, not only because the language is old, but Kabir's
> > > expressions are different from what we are used to seeing.
> > > The verses below use the term "hira" (diamond). It should be noted
> > > that during the time of Kabir, diamonds were very rare. At that time,
> > > diamonds were found only in India and nowhere else.
> > > hIrA soi srAhiye
> > > sahai ghanan kI choT
> > > kapaT kurangI mAnavA
> > > parakhat nikrA khot
> > > Admire the diamond that can bear the hits of a hammer. Many deceptive
> > > preachers, when critically examined, turn out to be false.
> > > [Here diamond is siddhanta (the basic principles or doctrine).An
> > > experienced diamond cutter can hit the diamond using a chisel so that
> > > the chips will break off as expected. A diamond because if its
> > > crystalline structure tends to break off at specific angles. Similarly
> > > the true doctrine would come out shining when it is critically
> > > examined].
> > > _______________________________________________________
> >
> > > hIrA tahaN na kholiye
> > > jahaN kunjroN kI hAT
> > > sahajai gaNthI bANdhike
> > > lagiye apni bAT
> > > Don't open your diamonds in a vegetable market. Tie them in bundle and
> > > keep them in your heart, and go your own way.
> > > [Don't discuss gyan (knowledge) with those who can not understand
> > > it].
> > > ___________________________________________________
> > > hIrA parA bajAr maiN
> > > rahA chhAr lapaTAy
> > > ketihe murakh pachi mUye
> > > koi pArakhi liyA uThAy
> > > A diamond was laying in the street covered with dirt. Many fools
> > > passed by. Someone who knew diamonds picked it up.
> > > [Those who understand gyan-siddhanta (true knowledge/principles),
> > > pause to acquire it].
> >
>
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