I can only reiterate my thanks and support for those that perform the 
maintenance and coding of Enigmail. I am just a novice user and everything 
appears to work seamlessly. I followed the step by step instructions on setting 
up, and it all worked first time. At that stage I knew very little about 
encryption and how it actually worked. I still don't know the details of its 
working but only the process described by one oe two websites. I think it is 
fantastic, and very simple to use.

Ian



On 05/01/15 05:19, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> This is in my opinion not rational as well. Not contributing to a good
>> project, because others aren't rational? Seems like a lame excuse for me.
> As soon as your opinion of me matters a whit, I’ll let you know.  Until then, 
> regardless of whether you think it’s a lame excuse, it will continue to be my 
> policy.
>
>> In a perfect world it would be probably cool, to don't have
>> non-intellgence developers on crypto-software, but we don't have much
>> skilled contributers, and as long the software gets better in a
>> objective and in a measurable (I think it's possible), it's better than
>> not contributing.
> I will let other people chime in with their thoughts on your opinion of, 
> “sure, let’s invite intelligence professionals to make code contributions to 
> GnuPG and Enigmail.”
>
>> Same argument as above. A rational community should not take irrational
>> people seriously.
> Then you won’t have a community.  Human beings aren’t rational.  The quickest 
> way to have no community is to insist that to be part of the community you 
> must lack human failings, like irrationality.
>
>> If I'm reading the "You know spooks, right?" and "What are they like?",
>> it's not only the case, that you have a father, who is a judge, but you
>> know other people from the intelligence community.
> Given the FBI is an intelligence agency, then yes, I’ve hung out with 
> intelligence types since I was about eleven.  (State judges know the local 
> police and sheriffs and troopers.  Federal judges know the federal police — 
> FBI, Marshals Service, DEA, and more.)
>
> I understand you don’t think the FBI is an intelligence agency.  You’re wrong.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
>
>> Additionally I don't like your argumentation. In my opinion you are
>> relativizing the status of people from the intelligence community by
>> making everybody a spook. Sorry, no. There is a difference, between
>> googling a "blind date’s name" and working for the state to achieve
>> secret operations and doing things like economic espionage and the
>> espionage of the United Nations.
> Secret knowledge isn’t required:
>
> https://www.google.com/#q=OSINT
>
> Nor is working for the state a prerequisite:
>
> https://www.google.com/#q=Business%20intelligence
>
> You seem to have a view of the world which requires that intelligence be 
> state-sanctioned, clandestine or covert, etc., etc.  It’s not.  All being in 
> the intel business means is you’re acquiring information on behalf of 
> decisionmakers — that’s all.
>
> In the modern era, we are *all* in the intelligence business… a fact which, I 
> think, is poorly recognized by the world.
>
>
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