[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raster and co. babbled:
Hm, I don't really know what you mean, cause AFAIK gnome has never
registered any applications at openusability, cause they have "their
own" usability experts. and furthermore: I don't find gnome unusable, in
fact i think it's the most usable desktop on the gnu desktop (my
personal point of few).
thats my point. "usability" experts like to claim they are - invariably
they like to dictate how to run your project and if we follow their
adivce we will end up being just like windows - maybe osx, and
certainly just like gnome. i prefer to get feedback DIRECTLY from you -
the users. i would rather the actual people using the software have
input and not some detached set of "experts". YOU - the USERS, let
us know what you like and don't. what u think could be easier etc.
My idea for registering e17 at openusability was, that I think there are
quite a few (small) simple errors you can commit in usability means.
these are easily pointed out by "experts". but all that's up to you.
(and one thing: getting usability-reports from them doesn't force you to
implement them :-) )
indeed - priority though is just getting the thing DONE - usability can
wait until e18 and e19 etc. we dont have time to sit discussing if a
button shoudl be on the left or the right of a dialog etc.
i can see what they will say already "you need consitency. consider using
gnome or gtk or qt libs etc.". :)
really - i'd prefer to let our own users give feedback as to what they
like and dont. what's hard for them or not. :)
I've always been baffled by the idea of an openusability standard.
Usability is quite different for a lot of people. My grandma's idea of
usability is much different to a mine, and one of the great things about
linux is it can create desktops that cater to both. Having some sort of
standard for this seems to defeat the variety of choice. Certainly some
things will approach a similar state, but that should happen as a natural
evolution as different approaches explore and fail/succeed as they will.
Constrain that system and you may potentially miss some novel advances
along the way.
-----Warning Massive Rant-----
Please do not take this personaly anyone.
I started using linux because I wanted a usable os. One that _I_ could
easily manipulate. One that does as its told not tells you what it
does. I also love the number of options availible and I hate the way
certain operating systems tell you every time something goes right. So
my idea of usablility in that regard is most likly totaly different than
the average joe in some respects. I use e, why because for me it is
more usable than other window managers
I love e its fast and simple and most important very customizable.
Variety is the spice of life and if every one has their pick not
everything will be the same. I think its great Raster wants to go to
the people (the people actual using his software the people who might
even already like it) instead of some experts. No the result may not
suit everyone but it wouldn't anyway and it will more likly suit those
who give input. Usablility is not always for one group what works for
the greatest majority. Mabey by going the "usability experts" rout you
are ruining usability for others. I would dare say Raster writes e to
his own usability needs as well.
An example of usability that works for me but not the majority is focus
follows pointer without raise on click. A few years back gnome had a
big flame fest on this when they took all options for turning off raise
on click out. I hate raise on click and wrote them asking for it
back(bug report actualy). They told me they would not put the _option_
back in because they wanted sane defaults and this was better for
usability. I was using gnome/metacity at the time and lucky for me its
open source so I just hacked metacity to get what I wanted back. Being
on getoo I hacked it for every release. The change they made made the
wm unusable for me. Yet for some (acording to the usability experts)
those coming from windows I imagine it was likly better. I left off
using gnome because that and other "usability" bettered stuff.
ok I'm done now. *goes back to his shell*
As for those using E17, going to people who probably dont even use or are
attracted to the enlightenment desktop for suggestions (despite their
'expertness') is really quite odd! Glad you still value our feedback
raster :)
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