Everyone here would do well to pay attention to what
Carsten has been trying to say on this issue -- he is being
very much the voice of reason and moderation.
If I may add my own thoughts on this..
All progress depends very much on having "excited newcomers",
some of these eventually become entrenched old-timers, and even
better, re-excited old-timers.
I remember reading once, long ago, an interview by an excited
newcomer named Michael Jennings.. an interview he did of two, more or
less, old-timers known as "raster" and "mandrake".
Even the ivory towers of academic institutions know the need
for new-comers, new-ideas, new-work,... even ones that may question
"old ways". How is it that some "bazaars" fail to see this?
Without the constant influx of new blood, and/or the willingness
to "consider" new work, new ideas, new directions, etc.. there is little
or no progress, there is instead stagnation and solidification. Witness
the not-so-long-ago events around XFree86.
It's easy for old-timers to feel 'threatened' by the new, even
more so when there is overlap or competition in work.. suddenly there
or not. But one must learn to overcome this and view things in a positive
light instead.
As Carsten has pointed out, there are many, many possibilities that
can come of this.. good ones, if things are taken in a positive light.
Oddly, in this ewl/etk case it seems that those in the two camps
do seem to view things mostly in a positive light, and it seems to be
mainly others who in fact do not even use ewl (or etk), who are acting
as though they feel 'threatened' somehow.
I personally do not know enough about ewl or etk to comment on
any relative pluses or minuses or whatnot.. But there is one very
very telling reality that anyone from "outside" first sees:
If ewl is indeed the "official" gui toolkit of enlightenment,
and it is the result of years of work... then how is it that none
of the major programs that are associated as being "e"... actually
use it? None do.
This may very well have little to do with ewl, and would likely
be the case if it were etk say.. It may also be a reflection on the
overall state of gui-toolkit libs period.. there are changes in the air
everywhere.. But regardless, it's a very visible state to 'outside'
developers and even users of the programs.
As to issues of "secrecy", "conspiracies", and whatnot...
I personally have no idea, but if it means anything to anyone:
I have, and know of, no secret conspiracies on anything.
I've been trying to do some work on evas, mainly internal stuff
and some extensions to add more vgfx support, and have lately come
to see some things that I believe could be done better, etc.
The fact is that evas is, more or less, fine for the way it is
being used right now.. and if Carsten makes it even better before I do,
and/or makes all I've done irreleveant or un-needed.. then so much the
better as far as I'm concerned.
But if any of it ever does see the light of day, and is perceived
as useful, and becomes "applied", etc... it would affect etk as much
as ewl, since both use the same -- evas and edje.
Listen to raster.
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