On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:48:55 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> Are there any plans for window menu configuration? Otherwise, re-ordering by > frequency of use might suit people better. Personally, I only use the menu > to setup remember settings. this has its uses - but also there is a problem of "surprise" that that menu option vanished form where it was last (as it moved) :) right now there is no way to track and learn this so i'm willing to go with the less dangerous option. :) > On 10/20/05, jochen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > David Seikel wrote: > > > When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater > > > usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my > > > theme to E17. In an effort to avoid menu hacking in a theme, I will go > > > over those changes and their reasons now. > > > > > > First of all is the position of the Close and Kill items. With my E16 > > > theme I found myself accidentally selecting Close, as the menu > > > starts with Close already under the mouse pointer. Traditionally, the > > > menu item that exits out of the application is at the bottom of the > > > menu, for a good reason. For languages that scan from top to bottom, > > > it makes sense that the last item you will ever select is the last item > > > on the list. To avoid accidentally exiting out of something that may > > > require some non trivial amount of work to setup again (things like, > > > you are half way through a big HTML form in your browser) it makes > > > sense to not make application exiting too easy. > > > > > Although I'm not a developer and atm things are made the way the > > developers like it I have to speak up now. I strongly disagree with > > this. I close almost all my apps with alt-right-click ->close, and I > > think that the close item is probably the menu item which is used most > > often. How many times are you going to change the remember settings or > > make a window sticky? I think the ordering of the menu should reflect > > how often you use a certain menu item. I think this kind of handholding > > goes strongly against the philosophy of keeping things simple and > > letting the user make the descisions. If I type rm -rf / I don't want to > > be asked are you sure, are you really sure... _REALLY_ are you sure! > > This is very annoying and it just makes things a lot less usable. > > Additionally when you close an application window, almost all apps will > > tell you that there are changes which haven't been saved and if you > > really want to quit. So the danger of loosing several hours of work is > > not even there yet, and if you really worked for several hours and did > > not save in between you deserve to loose your data. What is next? Alter > > the close button so you have to press it for several seconds, so you > > might not accidentally press it. Or everytime you stop or reboot your > > computer have a window pop up: "You are trying to shutdown your > > computer, you should do a backup before you do, are you sure you want to > > shutdown?" Sorry if I sound really harsh I don't mean this personal in > > any way but I feel very strongly about this because I think this > > alterations for making apps more "userfriendly" are in 90% of the cases > > making apps harder to use for experienced users. > > > > <snip> > > > > Cheers > > Jochen > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, > > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
