>
> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > > itray will die. after havign gone into the systray spec in
> > > detail - it's just incompatible with e17. itray as it stands
> > > will die.
> > >
> > oh well.. sorry to hear it. i'll just have to make do with ibox,
> > ibar,calendar clock weather monitor pager screenshot eloquence
> > and slideshow ;) kinda running out of room for shit... heard you
> > were making a proposal for a new revision of the tray spec to
> > clean up the ambiguities and (i suppose) make it more compatible
> > with e17's goals.. how is it going?
>
> well after some initial kafuffle - i formalised the proposal into
> more formal wording... and everything has gone silent. everyone
> left and stopped talking about it. i think there is a severe amount
> of apathy amongst some peolpe invovled in such "standards". unless
> they outright deny the proposal for good technical reasons (and i
> will accept good technical reasons any day - i'm a pragmatist -
> i'm proposing the improvements also based on good sound technical
> reasons), i will push ahead anyway and push it as an independant
> standard - freedesktop or not. if this kind of thing happens it
> demonstrates the "freedesktop" standards are really just a farce
> as they simply are a place for some particular players (who write
> the specs) to write down their ideas and claim it as a standard
> that everyone should follow. if things move and are discussed -
> then the system works. time will tell. but in the event it doesn't
> - then as far as i'm concerned the standard is a farce and any
> standard we propose as our own and simply docuemnt sufficiently is
> as valid as an other - so then it is up to users such as yourself
> to pressure application and toolkit authors to adopt better
> standards and use them without wating for pointless "standards
> bodies" to bless them. otherwise in the end you users are the meat
> in the sandwich and you lose out - you have to choose - the wm or
> DE u like - or the apps u like - one or the other, but not both.
>
It's likely that people would like a 'better' spec, and
would adopt one if it proved itself.. Going ahead with working
out your proposed spec in e might show others that it is indeed
a good candidate :)
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