On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:37:31 +0900 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:54:02 +0000 Andrew Williams <[email protected]> > said: > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > I would really love this too - in fact I have been pushing for it. I > > suggest regularly that it would be helpful to have a roadmap. On my most > > recent request I was told bluntly “too much effort, you are the only person > > that wants it”. > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T5301. you keep telling me "that's not a > roadmap". > > comparison table: > > | | T5301 | GTK+ | > | Has title | X | X | > | Has short description | X | X | > | Has longer (multi-parapgraph) descriptions | Some | Some | > | Has assignment of who is doing it | X | X | > | Has status/priority | X | X | > | Are a changing "document" | X | X | > | Has dependencies | X | | > | Has discussion thread | X | | > > OH look there. it has everything your supposed roadmap has and even more! What > were you telling me that this is not a roadmap? Please indicate clearly how it > is not as I have clearly shown above that it has everything you claim a > roadmap > has (you would want that document linked to) and even then some more. > > > If we can get more support for such a document I would be far happier to > > push forward again and see it is pulles together. > > The document exists. Stop saying it doesn't. You just want someone to write it > up in a table on a wiki page (which is what the GTK+ one is) instead of as > tickets. If you want that - then you do it. And maintain it. Unless I've misread the previous mail, Andy has just said that if people are in favor of such a page that he is willing to do the work. I'm confused by the apparently hostile demeanor of your reply considering that someone has just offered to do the work which was requested? That task in phab (which cannot be found from the phab wiki, the main site wiki, or a google search) does not constitute a project roadmap of the sort that this thread is discussing. A roadmap should be visible and easy to locate, it should be readable by those who are not project insiders, and it should be a usable document for people working on related projects to judge whether they can/should contribute to the major tasks or if their projects will use any of the current/upcoming work items. I'm not interested in nitpicking or being pedantic; no, I didn't reference a dictionary or wikipedia or technical journals to arrive at my definition, this is just my expectation upon seeing the roadmap for any project. The cited task fulfills none of these criteria in my view. Furthermore, although I appreciate the time that you put into creating this ascii comparison table to demonstrate the possibility that our ticket is better than their actual roadmap, this table is itself irrelevant because the phabricator task has no correlation to release planning and thus is not a roadmap such as the one linked in the original mail. I'm in full support of having a roadmap for EFL to try coordinating releases around. This would make our supposed time-based release schedule more sensible and less "I think we're maybe still waiting for some feature but I don't know what it is or who's working on it?". On that topic, it's been nearly 6 months since the last major release and it seems that we're doing more work towards pointless arguments, trivial bikeshedding, and landing of untested/unusable code than we are towards any kind of release. I am not blaming Stefan here; anyone who would be our release manager for this long without quitting is likely to be an actual saint. At some point, however, we should probably ask ourselves whether we're in the business of being a functional project and producing releases or being ridiculed in another dailywtf post. > > > Thanks, > > Andy > > On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 16:57, Vincent Torri <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > hello > > > > > > i've recently seen this gtk roadmap : > > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Roadmap/GTK4 > > > > > > is there the same for EFL ? > > > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > -- > > http://andywilliams.me > > http://ajwillia.ms > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
