Worst scenario we could pay the author??? On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Davide Andreoli <[email protected]> wrote: > 2018-01-31 10:52 GMT+01:00 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]>: > >> On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:37:28 +1030 Simon Lees <[email protected]> said: >> >> > >> > >> > On 31/01/18 10:39, Davide Andreoli wrote: >> > > The fdo icons in the efl theme are indeed GPL3, >> > > as clearly staten in COPYING.images and data/elementary/themes/fdo >> > > >> > > I have no idea about the contamination and the resulting theme final >> > > license. >> > > >> > > For sure I want (and we must) them to remain to that license. >> > > >> > >> > I don't understand why you wouldn't want them licensed under an >> > equivalent creative commons license rather then GPL-3, GPL-3 is designed >> > for source code where as creative commons is designed for images, using >> > the wrong sort of licenses leads to the ambiguities we are seeing here, >> > if we can't convince the upstream developers to change there isn't much >> > we can do but its worth trying. >> >> we need to probably replace them with icons that are not licensed like the >> above. >> >> as for contamination, that is generally considered to be true with code if >> they >> share the same memory space. icons on the other hand do not. they are first >> decoded/rendered then manipulated. code from the binary is mapped directly >> into >> memory as-is pretty much minus relocation. >> >> so while i don't think DATA files would leak their license to efl, gplv3 >> does >> create requirements of its host system (to allow any gplv3 components to be >> replaceable by the end user) and that requires any system that would ship >> these >> to not be locked down. that is generally disliked by commercial vendors. >> >> so my take is "replace them". i could replace them anyway if the theme >> fundamentally changed (e.g. became flat). >> > > Did you see how many fdo icons are there? I don't think we have the manpower > to redesign all of them. > > >> >> > > >> > > 2018-01-30 14:05 GMT+01:00 Jean-Philippe André <[email protected]>: >> > > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Simon Lees <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> On 30/01/18 22:20, Jean-Philippe André wrote: >> > >>>> Hi, >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Sungtaek pointed out to me that we have GPLv3-licensed artworks >> (unsual >> > >>> for >> > >>>> images) in our theme, under data/elementary/theme/fdo. Those images >> are >> > >>> are >> > >>>> then included in the compiled theme default.edj. One source is >> clearly >> > >>>> GPLv3: >> > >>>> https://tiheum.deviantart.com/art/Faenza-Icons-173323228 >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Now I wonder what the implications of this are... >> > >>>> 1. Does Elementary become GPL because we load the theme and it >> contains >> > >>>> executable code (embryo & edje programs), so the theme is to be >> > >>> considered >> > >>>> a library, contaminating everything?? >> > >>>> 2. Or only the theme itself is GPL, by contamination from those >> images? >> > >>>> 3. Or is the compiled theme file not GPL because we're not linking >> or >> > >>>> derivating, merely archiving those images like in a Zip file, in >> which >> > >>> case >> > >>>> only what's in the tree is GPL? This would be same as HTML: >> > >>>> https://news.slashdot.org/story/13/06/26/2113242/when- >> > >>> gpl-becomes-almost-gpl-the-css-images-and-javascript- >> > >>> loophole/informative-comments#comments >> > >>>> >> > >>>> In the FAQ I only found a mention about fonts: >> > >>>> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#FontException >> > >>>> We don't have such an exception. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Pretty sure there is no problem (i.e. #3 is right), but IANAL so I'd >> > >>> rather >> > >>>> ask away :) >> > >>>> >> > >>> >> > >>> Licence wise i've always considered themes to be separate, whether >> that >> > >>> is correct or not is another question. GPL with images is silly >> anyway >> > >>> and we really should be asking upstream to relicense with some form >> of >> > >>> creative commons anyway which makes far more sense, but I guess the >> > >>> theme is probably technically GPL-3 as a binary. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Not so sure. HTML seems to be a crazy exception: An HTML file >> containing >> > >> GPL licensed JS code is not GPL itself. Not consistent but makes >> sense. EDJ >> > >> probably also falls under the category of "container". >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> Probably the biggest actual real life issue is if the theme is being >> > >>> used in consumer devices such as tizen you would need to provide >> > >>> consumers a way to swap there stock theme for one of there choice. >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> Yeah that's partly why I'm asking. :) >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Jean-Philippe André >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> ------------------ >> > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> > >> [email protected] >> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > enlightenment-devel mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net >> > >> > Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek >> > SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 >> > GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B >> > >> >> >> -- >> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- >> Carsten Haitzler - [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
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