On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:03:07 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> On Monday, 14 August 2006, at 12:08:06 (+0900), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > anyway - we have been living on caosity's cvs for a while now - but > > we are killing it (sorry kainx!) > > > > so its time to finally bite the bullet and dredge up the issue of us > > needing servers again. > > What we really need is anoncvs mirrors. We need systems that we can > point "anoncvs.enlightenment.org" to. A nice round-robin DNS should > solve the load problem quite nicely. yeah - though that might be harder than we think. the other problem here is consistency - we want a user using the 1 server once they started as if anon servers don't update at the same time - they will have problems with consistency. having a faster/lighter/easier access method (svn? who has something to say? i prefer the "devil you know" but since this problem keeps coming up... time to bit the bullet?) > > here is what i think we need: > > > > 1. devel "cvs" server + future web server (for downloads too of official > > tarballs etc.) > > 2. an anonymous "cvs" server and possibly second download mirror. > > > > so 2 systems really. > > The developer CVS server is doing acceptably, is it not? indeed it is :) > We are working on obtaining another server for the E project to have > as its very own. Hopefully that will pan out. this was kind of part of what i was getting to - to make sure that we dont tread on your feet any more - move to our own box - and yes - anoncvs mirrors will be good - but maybe using svn in the end will make this easier. i am broaching the topic to start just this discussion. i am not set on a path at all - but if we are causing pain - we need to address it. > > i hear that svn is significantly less load for anonymous access - > > even developer - who has experience with this server-side? can you > > confirm or deny? i would consider a possible move to svn if we can > > keep our history from cvs. > > It's not true. SVN requires a lot more overhead (including Apache > with SVN and DAV modules), uses a BDB backend (you remember your love > of BDB, right?), and requires DOUBLE the amount of disk space for a > checkout. Yes, I said double. Furthermore, branching and tagging checkouts from svn are just ridiculous. agreed. but its the server side i am asking about. as i said - i HEARD it is easier on the server - i am after details from those having been there, done that. yeah - bdb - oh yay. lets break format all the time.. ;) > don't really exist for SVN (it uses "copies" which, while they may be > zero overhead on the server, are murder on the checkout). And last I > checked, you could not keep your history. i hear there are migration tools - but i will wait to hear what tools they are and how well they work before ever moving. > CVS is the devil we know. There's really nothing we need it to do > that it doesn't do. I see no compelling reason to move. agreed - unless svn is less overhead. that is the question. an svn anon server serving 1000 users - and then an cvs anon server serving the same src and the same people - which one consumes less disk io/cpu/memory? thats what i want to know - and if it is less - is it significantly less? or just like 5% (not worth worrying about) > Michael > > -- > Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Love?! What does *love* have to do with *marriage*?!" > -- Peter Jurasik (Ambassador Londo Mollari), "Babylon Five" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
