On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:17:11 +0100 Falko Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 10:44:59PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:43:03 +0000 Lut!n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > > 2006/11/24, Falko Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > ok- some summary. > > > > 1. e.org pages have not been updated or maintained because we > > anticipated a while back moving to a new webserver, website and a need > > to redo ALL the website. no need to go create content we just need to > > redo again. this has unfortunately been delayed an taken a lot longer > > that thought. we are still waiting. > > > > 2. packages of e17. e17 is unreleased. we do not encourage you to go > > put packages in debian or ubuntu - why? you will piss us off as users > > will just come back to use complaining about bugs or missing features > > when we are not done. it doesn't matter what policies you have or how > > many lines of documentation say not to bother us - they will. they > > will waste our time and patience. we do NOT want e in official debian > > repositories. it just will mean a tonne of support we already don't > > have time for. > > > > if you want e development to halt - then go ahead. but likely it will > > mean just that. users are a burden if you are not prepared for them - > > and we sure as hell are not. they will not be god users and contact > > debian support mechanisms - they will come back to us. > > > > if you want to do packages - put them in a separate apt repository - > > make it harder to get to. this will minimise the impact. > > > I totally agree here. I've got many people using my repository who > report issues to me directly - which is good - but still many who report > them in IRC as well. What about a Debian postinst warning telling people > to stay clear of feature requests and bug reports for packages on my > repository? > > Anyways - I won't urge to put packages in Sid without your approval, > that's for sure. cool- as long as you retain a separate apt repo - i think that's where the line in the sand should be (for now). once e is officially going gold - you are ready to roll and put into mainline at a moments notice pretty much. that makes a release cycle fast and simple. as for warnings - nice, but they don't solve it all - gentoo does this and yet they come back to us for "build problems" despite the warnings saying DO NOT bother us. this is the reason i discourage it. history shows that it tends to hinder. i think that there may be an argument for putting in mainline ubuntu/debian apt repos when we at least go alpha - then we do have a set of known bugs and we are looking for more. if the packages of efl are all built with gdb debugging during alpha and beta by default (no choice by a user) and src is shipped in the packages so gdb works and can trance, step, inspect etc. then we have a case at that time for shipping (then remove gdb debugging and src for the final) :) > > as for working together - i absolutely think you should - ubunutu and > > debian basically are the same (from an e perspective anyway) and there > > is little use it duplicating most of the packaging work :) > > > Yup, good that I asked. I didn't know there was an alioth project around > already :) > > Falko > > > > > > > > > Hi Falko , > > > > > > as some of you might have noticed, I'm trying to help out by adding > > > and > > > > fixing Debian packaging information in CVS since about eight > > > > months. Meanwhile I took over Blake's Debian repository on > > > > edevelop.org which now supports i386, AMD64, alpha and Sparc. > > > > > > Some days ago Jan Christoph Nordholz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > offered me to have E17 uploaded to Debian Sid via his sponsor who > > > > could sign the packages for us. > > > > > > As there's still time before Etch will be released he will help me > > > to > > > > make the packages compliant to the Debian policy. > > > > > > > > Are there any objections from the E17 Team? > > > > > > > > > I am the maintainer of the ubuntu repo hosted on edevelop, and with > > > Maxence Dunnewind (Sp4rKy), Daniele Favara (nomed) and Blake, we've > > > created a team on alitoh whose goal is to build up a debian tree for > > > e17 that matches the debian policy. We are not listed on the debian > > > packaging staff on enlightenment.org (the page seems outdated btw), > > > but we've been working quite hard to make a clean debian tree. > > > Usually, integration of such projects are made through teams, and > > > teams are usually on alioth. There were many people packaging e17 > > > for debian finally, and it makes sense to merge our energies. Please > > > have a look at http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-e/ . We'd be > > > happy if you want to join us in the team, and on #pkg- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], so we can make something good all together :) > > > > > > Furthermore I'd like to know if people mentioned in the 'Porting and > > > > Package Team' section on enlightenment.org are still active in > > > > regards of Debian packages. > > > > > > I don't want to step on anyone's toes, so it'd be nice if people > > > tell me > > > > if they don't like me messing around in their debian/ directories > > > > :) > > > > > > > > Falko > > > > > > > > > Greets, Albin Tonnerre (Lutin), in behalf of the pkg-e team. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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