I think this behaviour is OK, 'cause like this you can maximize a specific
window to the whole screen without changing the settings (wich can come
handy if you have a not-screenwide shelf). You can always resize the window
with ALT+MiddleButton, even if you dont see the borders.

2006/12/26, Andreas Volz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Am Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:33:42 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The
> Rasterman):
>
> > e itself will not do this. it's automatic window placement algorithm
> > keeps a window on screen - always. what you are seeing is a badly
> > behaved app - hell a java app. when it comes to java apps i wipe my
> > hands clean - java is one of the most horridly incorrect things in x
> > when it comes to doing the right thing. tvbrowser is probably asking
> > to be placed there and thus e is doing just what it asked. as java
> > apps attempt to mimick windows and hack it to work that way in x -
> > they end up behaving horridly as this isnt windows. this is x. you
> > actually have a wm - windows does not (apps manage their own windows).
> >
> > so
> > 1. stop using that java app - it's simply bad. in fact in general
> > just avoid java apps. awt's x layer is just horrid and wrong (and yes
> > swing goes thru the awt windowing layer).
> > 2. complain to the tvbrowser author. his app is asking to be placed
> > there. e is doing just what it is asked to do. if it wasn't asked it
> > would place the app somewhere it wanted to (NB - if the app does
> > provide enough unique information like name/class/role etc.
> > 3. you can use e's locks and remember features to 1. lock the app
> > from moving itself (or resizing), 1. tell e to remember where to put
> > it and size it and e will then ignore anything the app has asked on
> > startup and simply enforce your desires as a user.
> >
> > 3 is a workaround for bad/broken apps. it doesn't change the fact
> > that the app is still "bad". (and yes if you mail the author he will
> > say "it works for me" likely - and chances are he is using a
> > different wm - and if you read java's awt code it has DIFFERENT code
> > for DIFFERENT wm's thus java will behave differently depending on the
> > wm. if it doesn't know what the wm is it will default to some
> > entirely bogus/stupid defaults that are brain-dead hacks).
>
> Hello,
>
> here is again an example for a app with too big window size:
>
> http://tux-style.de/tmp/big-e17-window.jpg
>
> This happens because I use synaptic on my notebook with a bigger
> resolution. If I open it with ssh on my pc I couldn't resize the
> windows height. Ok, this could happen, but I expect that the "maximize
> window" button should maximize the window _not_ under the shelf. I found
> out that maximize behaves wrong if the window is slightly below a
> shelf. You could easily reproduce it:
>
> - Set "Smart Placement"
> - Open a window
> - Maximize it
> - window is maximized and the lower shelf isn't overlapped (OK)
> - unmaximize it
> - move it "under" the lower shelf
> - maximize it
> - the window size is same as complete screen and under the shelf (NOK)
>
> If the start size of a window is very big, there's no possibility to
> lower the max size, because the default theme couldn't change window
> size at the top border (Why?).
>
> Do you think this behaviour is good? I don't think so.
>
> regards
> Andreas
>
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