On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:59:40 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:22:36 -0500 Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
> 
> > Note: This email is mostly directed towards raster/dj2, but if
> > anyone else feels like commenting, knock yourself out.
> > 
> > Didn't want to just commit this stuff, but I went through and
> > cleaned up the HTML/PHP/CSS of the new website.  I've attached a
> > diff so you can look at the changes made and possibly apply them
> > yourself to see the difference.  As I've done it the site looks
> > exactly the same as it does not, but validates as XHTML 1.1
> 
> i actually had to remove the doctype xml stuff - it was causing
> firefox and opera to basically fuck up tables. :( i could find no way
> around this.
> 
> > The following is a mini changelog to justify some of the changes:
> > 1. Should use echo over print unless you need the return status of
> > print
> >     - Small issue, but small issues add up
> 
> ummm ok.
> 
> > 2. include_once incurs extra overhead of checking for existing
> > includes
> >     - It is not necessary for us since we only include the file
> > once. Again, small issues add up.
> 
> ok
> 

I agree the above things were not really important, probably didn't
really need to be changed.

> > 3. Anything between style or script tags should be HTML commented
> > 4. align is not a valid css property
> > 5. // is not a valid CSS commenting style, must use /* */
> 
> but i like //!!! :)
> 

I agree :)

> > 6. Other misc cleanups/fixes, see diff
> > 7. Finally, lets do our part and be XHTML 1.1 compliant :)
> 
> much of a muchness really. as above - had to disable the doctype.
> 

Unfortunate, but with the recent rush of content I'm gonna just let
this go since I'm not sure if any one else is worrying about it :)

> > Let me know if you disagree with anything and I'll attempt to
> > justify it or you just might convince me :).  It didn't really take
> > that long to convert it so if you don't care I guess i can accept
> > that, but I did all the work in hopes that you would use it :).
> > Everything seems kosher in IE6, but final checking will have to be
> > done when its up.
> > 
> > As further justification I will say that in the future, most
> > browsers will probably move towards attempting to support more of
> > the standards
> 
> as long as microsoft are behind ie - a huge chunk of browser users
> wont see this. :(
> 

Well, IE7 has come a long way from IE6.  Most of the general stuff now
works so there isn't a need for a lot of workarounds.  IE6 loses
more users every month according to most statistics, some showing less
then 50% market share, so hopefully the pain it causes will diminish
before the end of the year :)

> > and those sites left not using them will have to fix things
> > constantly. They may even break things at different times leaving
> > you updating for every browser release.  The reason XHTML is so
> > important is because it can potentially make the browser so much
> > faster and correct because the syntax is more regular. HTML is so
> > irregular and every browser implements some of their own
> > irregularities as well.  So my point is, we are not only helping
> > push the standards that exist, but we are also saving ourselves
> > from pain in the future.
> 
> except we introduced pain. table rows seem to get a minimum height of
> a line of text - they cant be thinner when in xhtml mode. thats just
> wrong.
> 

Well you gotta do what you gotta do, did you happen to try the
line-height property? 

Regardless, things are moving a bit too fast at this point to keep up
so I think I'll just let it go.  Things can always be fixed up later on
if there are serious issues.

> > Not trying to push any agenda here, just voicing my opinion, take
> > it or leave it.
> > 
> > Last time I tried to send an attachment to the list it failed, so
> > hopefully this time it will work.  If not, you can get the diff at
> > http://www.satus.net/files/misc/eweb.diff.
> > 
> 
> 

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