On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 11:15:45AM -0700, Daniel Patterson wrote:
> Using any Gnome daemon ties in gnome dependencies

Nope.  NetworkManager is designed to be agnostic to any particular
environment.  KDE uses it for it's backend as well.  From my box:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache depends network-manager
network-manager
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libdbus-1-3
  Depends: libdbus-glib-1-2
  Depends: libgcrypt11
  Depends: libglib2.0-0
  Depends: libgpg-error0
  Depends: libhal1
  Depends: libiw28
  Depends: libnl1-pre6
  Depends: libnm-util0
  Depends: iproute
  Depends: iputils-arping
  Depends: dhcdbd
  Depends: lsb-base
  Depends: wpasupplicant
  Depends: dbus
  Depends: hal
  Depends: ifupdown
 |Recommends: network-manager-gnome
  Recommends: <network-manager-kde>
    knetworkmanager


I suppose you might take issue with glib, hal, or dbus, but have fun
with lots of things at that point...


> not...). if you had a frontend that could bring up network (dhclient or
> dhcpcd), or wireless (iwconfig, or wlanconfig), and ppp (pppd), I think
> you would have a pretty nice application... though I'm not sure why they
> should be integrated, just make three nice separate apps! 

Because it's awesome to be lazy.  I've temporary gone back to Gnome on
my laptop explicity because of NetworkManager support.  I take my
laptop all over town and my network only ever needs to be configured
once.  It remembers what networks work, and if I plug in the wired
ethernet, it doesn't worry about wireless.

I'm not sure why you think this is "more trouble than it's worth".
It's easy, non-intrusive, and works in all cases I've encountered at
work/home/coffee shop.

-- 
Ross Vandegrift
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who
make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians
have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine
man in the bonds of Hell."
        --St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37

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