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From: Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Daniel Kasak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Window Management Hi, In the shelf configuration window, in the Advanced screen, did you enabled the option "Allow windows to overlap the shelf" ? Also look at the configuration of windows, there's a "smart placement" option, did you enable that ? there's also a "don't hide gadgets" option. (In Windows configuration -> Window display). Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that something is also bothering me in E17 concerning windows.. I'm used to middle click a window's title to shade/unshade it. But maximized windows don't allow this.. so sometimes I keep clicking and it doesn't work, then I realize that the window is 'maximized' (even though it's small, I resize it to smaller size, but it still doesn't work, the only way to re-enable the shading feature is to click the 'maximize' button again, which places my window somewhere else with a different size, then I have to manually replace it and resize it to the size it was before. Maybe when a window is manually resized, it should loose its 'maximize' state. And maybe enabling shading of windows even when maximized would be a good idea, I don't know why it's disabled. Maybe you decided that for a good reason, sorry if it was already discussed before I joined the mailing list. Thanks, KaKaRoTo On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 10:42:26AM +1000, Daniel Kasak wrote: > Time to get back to basics for a second. > > I've just migrated about 10 desktops back to Gnome ( and Compiz ) from > E17, and the most common comment is NOT about the flashy effects and > such, but about very simple window management that E17 does very poorly. > > Basically, E17 is sloppy with regards to window size & positioning. > Every single f*****g desktop I'd walk past had the same problems: > > - Some new windows open with the correct dimensions, but cover shelves > because of bad placement. For example if we have a shelf at the bottom, > we'll invariably get windows appear that hit the very bottom of the > screen. When the window is dragged up a bit, it fits perfectly, ie > doesn't cover the shelf. But why does it need to be dragged into > position? > > - Some windows ( usually ones that were previously maximized before > being closed, examples are firefox, evolution, nautilus, openoffice ) > open covering the entire screen. These need to be resized back down so > we can see the shelf. If the window is resized to perfectly match the > screen / shelf, and then closed WITHOUT hitting maximize, it will > re-open next time with the correct size. But if it's resized down, and > then maximized to cover the screen ( minus shelf ), the next time it's > opened, it resizes back up to cover the entire screen. > > This is all compounded by the fact that most of the users here aren't > aware of the ability to resize or move windows once they're opened. Sad > but very true. Trust me, I've tried to teach them, but now I give up. > > Before posting this, I have updated to the latest cvs from today, > deleted my .e folder, and tested thoroughly. I have tried all the > different maximize policies. I have only used the default theme and not > enabled any extra modules ( I've disabled some modules in fact ). > > I realise that some might be tempted to suggest that I use the > 'remember' settings to lock these windows into position / size. I reject > that. This suggestion ( in this context at least ) is a workaround for a > set of long-standing bugs. I'm not saying that the remember settings > aren't good or don't have their place, but that place is not to cover > the above lack of window management finesse. New windows should NOT > cover shelves. Full stop. > > So please. Window sizing and placement needs some attention. > > -- > Daniel Kasak > IT Developer > NUS Consulting Group > Level 5, 77 Pacific Highway > North Sydney, NSW, Australia 2060 > T: (+61) 2 9922-7676 / F: (+61) 2 9922 7989 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > website: http://www.nusconsulting.com.au > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
