On Tuesday, 22 July 2008, at 08:33:13 (-0400),
Jose Gonzalez wrote:

> Personally, I'd *never* contribute anything that I'd consider to be
> a truly serious, dedicated, body of time and work to a project that
> wan't LGPL or GPL.  But that's just me.

Fortunately most are more open-minded than that.  :)

> They're not 'stealing' anything. The code was given to them to do
> with as they see fit under the terms allowed by the license. And in
> the case of a BSD/MIT style license they can use it directly or
> indirectly (among other things) but aren't required to contribute
> back anything, or make original source or any changes available to
> anyone if they so choose.

Perhaps a better term would be "leeching."

As with the law, there is the "letter" of the license and the "spirit"
of the license.  While you are correct about the "letter" of the
license, the clear and obvious spirit of BSD licensing is free and
unrestricted sharing which bypasses this whole ridiculous license
debate quite nicely.

Furthermore, there are specific requirements associated with the
license which are sometimes not followed:  the advertising clause.
And if they don't follow *that*, they *are* stealing.

Having said all that, here's the bottom line:  When we first discussed
licensing at length, somewhere around 1997 or 1998, we wanted a
license that encapsulated our feelings on the subject:  "We don't give
a rat's ass what you do with this code so long as you give credit
where it's due."  The BSD license with the advertising clause was the
most free and open license we could find which still required proper
attribution.

Last time I spoke with raster about it, he still felt the same way.
External projects and products, especially those run by commercial
entities, are likely and welcome to use the license of their own
choosing, but we ask that all contributions to E and "official" E
subprojects be licensed under the same BSD+AC license as E itself.

Maybe that will change someday.  Who knows.  But last time I went
earnestly looking for a better license, I couldn't find one.  They all
fell short in some significant way.  (Or many ways, in the case of the
GPL...ironically the least free and most binding-and-gagging license
out there, short of closed source.)

Michael

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