On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:36:06 -0600 "Nathan Ingersoll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
i'm still waiting on any replies/comments. imho it makes sense. it doesnt violate the "spirit". it simple defines an exception where building a statically compiled os image for things like ecos, the same rules as dynamic linking apply. > Was this exception ever decided? > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (forgot AUTHORS in cc list) > > > > PLEASE REPLY (authors on CC list). yes or no to adding static linking > > exception below? > > > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:53:29 +0200 Michael Feiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > this got debated to hell. the alternative was going to be watching > > developers leave - ones wanting to add in better code but only wanting to > > do so if they know their code will be free and improvements to it given > > back. > > > > if we added the static linking exception - which imho would not violate the > > spirit of the LGPL, would this be good enough? > > > > (nb - if apple decide to place all these nasty nasty nasty restrictions on > > developers and applications - all the best to them, but i know i have zero > > interest in becoming part of that world as long as apple basically say "you > > do just what we say, what we want, and if we don't like you we'll just ban > > your app from the platform because you may possibly compete with us or be > > the wrong shade of pink for steve jobs"). > > > > i definitely buy the ecos (static linking) argument. > > > > i've explicitly cc'd all the AUTHORS for eina. do you guys agree to adding > > an ecos-style static linking exception (here it is for you guys): > > > > "...As a special exception, if other files instantiate templates or use > > macros or inline functions from this file, or you compile this file and > > link it with other works to produce a work based on this file, this file > > does not by itself cause the resulting work to be covered by the GNU > > General Public License. However the source code for this file must still be > > made available in accordance with section (3) of the GNU General Public > > License. > > > > This exception does not invalidate any other reasons why a work based on > > this file might be covered by the GNU General Public License...." > > > >> On monday, starting with revision 36622, all vital EFL components have > >> been configured to depend on copylefted code (eina is licensed under > >> LGPLv2.1). This is unfortunate, as it renders the existing BSD-style > >> license agreement essentially worthless. It is especially unfortunate as > >> the EFL seems to be unique as the only successful GUI environment under > >> a BSD-style license. > >> > >> I have used Evas as a component in a proof-of-concept for an embedded > >> project using the eCos operating system. No patches or other information > >> have been published yet, because the project is not yet released. But I > >> do expect to have patches for EFL ready upon release in order to avoid > >> the advertisement clause. > >> > >> Now, eCos is owned by the FSF and is licensed under the GPLv2 with a > >> linking exception that makes it completely non-viral. This exception is > >> more powerful than the LGPL, because the LGPL does require dynamic > >> linking or the distribution of linkable object files and additional > >> modification and reverse engineering rights. These obligations would > >> "infect" a project that would otherwise just use a non-viral GPLv2 with > >> linker exception. > >> > >> So I want to ask you to please consider keeping the core EFL components > >> and non-optional dependencies under the existing BSD-style license or > >> consider a non-viral copyleft like the GPLv2 with a linking exception in > >> oder to keep the EFL usable with eCos and similar free embedded > >> operating systems (FreeRTOS and RTEMS both use GPLv2 with linking > >> exceptions too). Dynamic linking is not an option for deeply embedded > >> operating systems. Often we dont even have a filesystem. > >> > >> Additionally I might mention that the BSD-style license of the EFL could > >> mean that the EFL might technically be the only serious option for a > >> free 3rd party GUI library on things like the iPhone. Dynamic linking > >> does seem to exist on this platform but things like forced codesigning, > >> bans on externally loadable code, and restrictions on reverse > >> engineering and modification rights make the use of copylefted code > >> "questionable" at best. > >> > >> MfG, Michael > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > >> challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win > >> great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event > >> anywhere in the world > >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > >> _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel > >> mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > > prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > > the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > > prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > > the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
