On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:16:33 +0530 Laxminarayan Kamath <[email protected]> said:
> So why not have a real fullscreen (the way apps want it) and fake full > screen(the way users like David Seikel want it)? That should keep both david's is already covered by: 1. borderless, 1 + maximized (fullscreen mazimize). the app fullscreen is the "fullscreen" u see in the e menus and the netwm fullscrene protocol. e17 doesnt totally handle it right atm - its not "restricted" enough. > happy. The fake full screen won't let the app know its fullscreen. > Just resize it to fill the screen and make it unresizeable. You can > call it "ultramaximized" or something. > > > I dont need this particular feature. Jut giving away a thought that > crossed my mind. > > On 10/2/09, Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:22:34 +1000 David Seikel <[email protected]> said: > > > > the problem is.. when apps want fullscreen they EXPECT it to be exclusive. > > eg > > watch movies, play a game, etc. etc. etc. - thats how they except such a > > mode > > to work. to be on top with nothing in the way etc. > > > > even e violates this. edge bindings still work. u can still lower/raise > > between > > elements that are on top. keybindings to flip desktops still work. alt-tab > > kind-f-works, but not right. this needs fixing before release. it needs to > > become much more like an exclusive fullscreen mode until you exit such a > > mode. > > > > we make you happy and then we make a bunch of other apps unhappy. and thus > > other users. > > > > if you want what you want.. set to borderless then maximize. these windows > > are > > still regular windows. > > > >> I've been out of the loop and not paying much attention. Recently > >> recompiled E17, and now I find that what I always though was the wrong > >> fullscreen behaviour is now forced on my work around to. Let me > >> explain. > >> > >> A long time ago it was decided that "fullscreen" in E17 means that the > >> window pretty much takes over your entire view, with no way of getting > >> out of it. I argued that it was bad at the time, but did not prevail. > >> So since then I have most of my common applications set to fully > >> maximised, with no border, and usually set to the bottom of the stack. > >> Then remembered, so I don't have to keep setting those things up over > >> and over. This effectively sets them to fullscreen, but avoiding the > >> whole "fullscreen means no way out" nonsense. > >> > >> By now way out I mean, unable to switch to some other desktop, unable > >> to iconify, and unable to change to some other size. > >> > >> Now I find that with some of my faked fullscreen windows, the iconify > >> and maximise stuff is not in the window menu. If I want to iconify > >> them I have to switch to a border that has the iconify button, and > >> switch back when I make it fullscreen again. This happens with eterm > >> and Second Life, but not Claws mail and Xchat. > >> > >> Seems that alt tab is not working either, so one more way out is > >> blocked. Actually, I can't see anyway of binding that to a key anymore. > >> > >> Can I have the choice of a fullscreen mode that does not mean the > >> fullscreen takes over control and leaves out options please? In other > >> words, "fullscreen JUST Means the window is the size of the screen, > >> with no border". > >> > >> Even for the expected use case, fullscreen games, I still think that > >> "fullscreen means total control by the app" is wrong. Far too many of > >> these fullscreen games are unstable, and that means you spend a lot of > >> time rebooting to recover if you want to try out a big bunch of games > >> like I did recently. > >> > >> /me retrains himself to use the keyboard iconify shortcut. > >> > >> I know, I've become curmudgeonly. lol > >> > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. 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