On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 22:03, Jeff Hoogland <[email protected]> wrote:
> Are there any handsets out there that use LiMo currently?

There is a bigger number of LiMo devices out there, sold exclusively
by Vodafone as "Vodafone 360" with the devices Samsung H1 (SGH-i8320,
aka protector) and the Samsung M1 (SGH-i6410).
These devices use the whole LiMo pre-4 stack, so a GNU/Linux variant
with gtk/clutter GUI without EFL and a Vodafone UI, based on
gtk/clutter, too.
However, despite the use of a ton of open source software, these
devices are completely locked down, it is not easily possible to run
own software on it, and practically not possible to develop software
for it as a individual without getting some kind of license.

There might be other, locked down, LiMo devices out there, too.

To be honest: I'm still not convinced, that EFL based LiMo4 will be
all that different, at least with previous LiMo variants the goal was
not to get open devices with open source software to the people, the
goal was to get operators and manufacturers an open source OS that
they could change to their needs to maximize their profit, similar to
the concept behind android. All of them run proprietary UIs that do
not allow 3rd party GUI applications (and practically not any other
3rd party applications, though that is at least possible due to
lacking security measures).

Anyway, I hope Samsung realizes that there is no place for this
business model besides android and "windows phone" (hell, there might
not even be place for the latter, despite the enormous amount of money
and the huge brand name put into it) and they give the open source
community the chance to do something great, by providing proper
hardware with a proper and open OS.

I'm partially excited that there is the possibility we could get that,
but on the other hand I'm a realist, not an idealist, so I know that
the chance is rather slim, as history has shown.
I guess we all have to put our faith into raster and all the other
open source enthusiasts involved in the project (shout out to all the
nice samsung guys participating here!), that they can convince the
management to do the right thing (or maybe already have).

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