On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
<barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Vincent Torri <vincent.to...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Vincent Torri <vincent.to...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>>>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would actually like you to answer that question: why moving to cmake
>>>>>> if the autotools are already doing the job correctly ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doing it correctly may not be enough.
>>>>
>>>> you didn't answer to that question. you just give vague comparison. So
>>>> what's no enough ?
>>>
>>> 1. it is utterly complicated for what it does, m4 macros are a hell,
>>> the shell commands to be portable must be restricted from gnu-isms and
>>> likely we fail at that from time to time.
>>
>> it's a hell for you, maybe. I've tried to twek cmake files, and i
>> didn't undrestand how to do what i wanted. It's a matter of learning a
>> langage.
>
> We'll stay and help, it's not a drop and run thing. Don't worry.
>
> And as for learning the language. I do know, both actually. Some of
> the helper m4 files were written by me, like the optional plugin used
> by e17.
>
> I can guarantee you, I just came to like cmake after I tried it. And
> even being autofoo person since 1998 I find my way easier on cmake
> than autofoo.
>
>
>>> 2. it does not generate native build systems, which is not a problem
>>> for the way we handle win32/mac ports at the moment, but it may not be
>>> sufficient in the future.
>>
>> for win32, i've already replied.
>
> Yes, for the current solution. But is that the final solution?
> Wouldn't it be better to integrate more natively with win32 apis if
> there was manpower to help fix the VS bugs?

fixing bugs ? well, it's mainly about asm : the syntax is different
(intel vs AT&T). If you want to support both syntaxes....

and yes, there's also some of the c99 features used in the efl and not
supported by vc++. Feel free to fix them. I prefer cross compiling,
nowadays

>>
>> again, it's a matter of learning a "langage".
>
> compare adding an option at autoconf and cmake:
>
> cmake:
> OPTION(NAME "Some documentation for help" INIT_VAL)
>
> autoconf:
> AC_ARG_ENABLE(NAME,
>  AC_HELP_STRING([--enable-NAME], [Some documentation for help
> @<:@default=detect@:>@]),
>  [NAME=$enableval],
>  [NAME=INIT_VAL]
> )
>
> seems very close, right? but if someone drops [] it will work, except
> in some cases that requires quotes, etc. It's tricky.

I forgot to say : is there a --help option with cmake ?

>
> Needless to say there is no such thing as variable types in autoconf,
> that prevents people to create nice GUI for it, for cmake people have
> at least an ncurses and qt! You can have it to present checkboxes or
> even file dialogs to choose paths.
>
> If you want to choose cache for variables, painful with autoconf...
> then we don't do it and we actually remove config.cache!
>
> Take a look at:
> http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk/CMakeLists.txt  # our 
> configure.ac
> http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk/Source/cmake/ # our m4/
>
> As webkit is a complex software with different ports (different
> features, versions...), each port keeps options in separate:
> http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk/Source/cmake/OptionsCommon.cmake
> http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk/Source/cmake/OptionsEfl.cmake
> http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk/Source/cmake/OptionsWinCE.cmake
> http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk/Source/cmake/OptionsBlackBerry.cmake
>

nice try : i won't look at those files...

Vincent

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