On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Eduardo Lima (Etrunko) <ebl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Lucas De Marchi > <lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Eduardo Lima (Etrunko) <ebl...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Leif Middelschulte > >> <leif.middelschu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Am 04.09.2012 um 20:04 schrieb Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi>: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Leif Middelschulte < > >>>> leif.middelschu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Am 04.09.2012 um 15:09 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <r...@1407.org>: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:57:51 +0100 > >>>>>> Michael Blumenkrantz <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:54:30 +0100 > >>>>>>> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <r...@1407.org> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:48:15 -0300 > >>>>>>>> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We have released EFL 1.7 and terminology 0.1, but to reach a > >>>>>>>>> broader audience we need binary packages! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In order to keep quality and reduce overall pain, I'd try to > >>>>>>>>> coordinate this in our mail list with the following ideas: > >>>>>>>>> - don't create multiple PPA/OBS/overlays for the same > >>>>>>>>> distribution. Cooperate with others that want to help > >>>>>>>>> - those with official distro packager status could step in and > >>>>>>>>> help with their knowledge and rules. Ultimately we want these > >>>>>>>>> packages to be used by upstream of Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, Arch and > >>>>>>>>> Gentoo. > >>>>>>>>> - the EFL developers could review build flags (optimizations) > >>>>>>>>> and compile options. This would ensure our packages are in good > >>>>>>>>> shape. > >>>>>>>>> - everybody could help with QA and test to ensure they work as > >>>>>>>>> expected. It would be nice to do some comparison such as benchmark > >>>>>>>>> expedite on the same HW with different distros. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'd like to have an updated list of "official" (as per our > >>>>>>>>> standards, if possible by distro as well) of EFL 1.7 and > >>>>>>>>> Terminology 0.1 packages. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If you know of some distro people that would like to help but are > >>>>>>>>> not in this list, please share with him. Phoronix and Lwn would > >>>>>>>>> BR useful as well. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> BR, > >>>>>>>>> -- Gustavo > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> With all the training I've been doing building my own Fedora RPMS I > >>>>>>>> was thinking of reading the new rpm guidelines of Fedora and > >>>>>>>> submitting specs to them. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Right now I only don't publish my own in some repo because I > >>>>>>>> probably couldn't afford the network traffic. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Any suggestions regarding that? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>>>> Rui > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I've made enquiries with the fedora people on irc and they seemed > >>>>>>> pretty friendly; the main reason why they don't do much e/efl > >>>>>>> packaging is lack of manpower for it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yeah, but I still need read the guidelines and to keep a separate set > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> specs built "the Fedora Way" before trying to commit :) > >>>>> How about using those from the obs? They'd just need minor adjustments > >>>>> to > >>>>> work with Fedora too? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I'm away from Fedora from years now, I'm not sure what people is using. > >>>> > >>>> Could someone say the relation between OBS and non-openSUSE systems? Do > >>>> Fedora people use it extensively? > >>> OBS provides means to add targets to build like fedora, cents os, meego. > >>> It's also possible to configure local instances (e.g. custom arm > >>> distribution) that will use the central spec files to build packages. > >>> But I think that Fedora insists to use their own packaging system (kinji > >>> or similar). > >> > >> You're right, but the correct name is Koji, by the way. > >> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_the_Koji_build_system > >> > >>>> For instance, in Ubuntu people are really used to "ppa", there are even > >>>> helpers to install stuff from there. In Gentoo there is layman-managed > >>>> overlays. > >>> I don't know how they provide/integrate the 'install now' button/feature. > >>> OBS simply provides .repo files (release,debug) per target to download, > >>> open and be handled by the local system. Ubuntu uses some ppa:// protocol > >>> of their own iirc to handle adding the repository. > >>> Anyway, my point was about keeping spec files and effort in one place. > >> > >> I vote for maintaining the spec.in files in the SVN and keep the delta > >> between it and the distro minimum possible. But for that i guess we > >> need some more effort on backporting patches to the release branch. I > >> marked quite a lot that would be interesting to backport since the > >> release and will merge them soon. > > > > I don't see any value in maintaining it in svn. Upstream repository > > IMO is not a place for *distro* files. Let's do like 90% of projects > > out there and not maintain them at all. > > > > In past there was a reason we maintained them: because distros didn't > > have them packaged. Once they start packaging, let's move this burden > > elsewhere. > > So it is chicken and egg problem. No one packages because there is > nobody using or interested in using, except for the few of us. Some > already have the packages included on their distros, others don't. We > are stepping up to be the maintainers of the packages for Fedora, > otherwise I doubt there will be someone else interested in keeping > them.
I'm not sure about RPM, but at least for Debian they do recommend to NOT have these in SVN as the packaging info are per-distro. Remember maemo x debian x ubuntu all had different packages due different ChangeLog and also some minor differences in control files? -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
