On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:35:10 +1000 David Seikel <[email protected]> said:

> On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 12:22:00 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:50:25 +1000 David Seikel <[email protected]>
> > said:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 20:23:48 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 20:17:49 +1000 David Seikel <[email protected]>
> > > > said:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:03:24 +0100 Vincent Torri
> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:55 AM, David Seikel
> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 23:45:46 +0100 Vincent Torri
> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> hey
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> i've aded ecore in efl/ I'm pretty sure that there are
> > > > > > >> plenty if bugs. Please report them here
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> There are also plenty of improvements to do too, i'm aware
> > > > > > >> of that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I noticed you made ecore_con compile mandatory.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > indeed. Is it a problem for you ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yep, as I have mentioned before, this embedded project I've been
> > > > > working on has legal requirements that must be met, and an
> > > > > audit lab that it has to go through to make sure it meets those
> > > > > legal requirements.  One of those legal requirements is to not
> > > > > have anything on the device that is not actually needed for the
> > > > > device to perform it's specific legal function.  On top of
> > > > > that, the less there is on the device, the less time it will
> > > > > take the audit lab to audit it, the cheaper the audit will be.
> > > > > The device does not need networking, so leaving out ecore_con
> > > > > would be good.
> > > > 
> > > > ecore-con is not just for "networking". it's for ipc. ecore-evas
> > > > requires it because ecore-evas supports remote ipc canvases from
> > > > other processes (ecore-evas-extn).  in the bid to simplify our
> > > > ifdef hell we have and ensure people have an always usable setup -
> > > > ecore-con is now on by default.
> > > 
> > > I don't need IPC or remote canvases either.
> > > 
> > > And yes, it's still a problem for me.  Now I have to explain to the
> > > audit lab that while there is now the potential to connect up to the
> > > device over a network and use this fancy ecore_con thing to add new
> > > functionality and change what's on the screen, thus potentially
> > > bypassing the legal requirements for our own nefarious purposes, I
> > > promise that we don't do that.  Cross my heart and hope to die.
> > 
> > oh don't be silly - unless some software literally ADVERTISES a
> > service you can't do squat diddly to connect to it and do anything.
> > you have to EXPLICITLY create a remove server service... and the
> > ecore_evas_extn stuff never does remote services - it's machine-local
> > only as it relies on shmmem to share pixel data.
> 
> I'm being dat silly on behalf of da gubermit peoplez.  No idea how
> silly dey might be.  Dey might think dis ecore_con thing is a backdoor
> left by me.  DAT'S what I have to deal with, audit labs paid by da
> hour, gubermit laws, bureaucrazy.  Dey getz into my codez and do silly
> thingz.

they must love the kernel and libc.. which have all of this... already. :)

> Otherwise I'd just say fuck it, the actual hardware has way more flash
> and RAM than we need, who the fuck cares?  Well, the gubermit cares,
> the audit lab cares coz they do what the gubermit tells them to, the
> client cares coz he has to pay the audit labs, the client's the one
> paying me, so I'm paid to care.  And, I'd like to actually do this next
> project he wants me to work on, so I care about what the client cares
> about.  At least until he runs out of work for me, or until some one
> pays me good money to do virtual world stuff and his contract ends.
> 
> > > > > Raster said that --disable-foo options will get replaced by
> > > > > "just delete the libfoo.* files".  I'm hoping that is stuck to,
> > > > > at least for the stuff *I* don't need.  B-)
> > > > 
> > > > not in all cases. see above. :)
> > > 
> > > EFL 1.7.2 let my remove fontconfig and it's dependencies, but made
> > > me add pthreads and ecore_con.  At least there was still an overall
> > > decrease in the resulting flash image size.
> > 
> > 1.7.2 made u AND pthreads and ecore-con? this was only in trunk (efl
> > tree and ecore tree prior to merge) or... should only have been. ?
> 
> Note the bug in 1.7.2's --disable-ecore-con that I mentioned before in
> this thread.  That is what forced me to add ecore_con to the 1.7.2 based
> project.  The bug crashes autofoo when you try to use the disable
> option, so you can't use the disable option.  Deleting the ecore_con
> library that is produced crashes ecore when it tries to open it, so you
> can't remove that library.  Thus, my embedded project needs ecore_con
> now, even though it's not actually used.  In 1.7.2, ecore_con is
> effectively mandatory, despite what the docs say.
> 
> We went through the pthread dependency with the 1.7 release screw up
> discussion.  If I remember, 1.7 should have had --disable-pthread
> removed, but it was only half removed in 1.7.
> 
> -- 
> A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants
> coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.


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