On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:07:57 -0500 Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com> said:

> المسالم المسالمة wrote:
> >> Um, so it's like engage, but with a cock?  Er I meant clock.
> >>
> >> ==========================
> >>     
> >
> >
> >   
> >> Ah yes, more than just engage then.  Is there an URL to this rosa linux
> >> you mention?
> >>
> >> ==========================
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
> >   
> >>     We must concede that it's certainly pushing the bleeding edge
> >> of user interfaces to put a cock on the desktop. Perhaps it should be
> >> called a glandule rather than a mere module?
> >>     Sure beats any of those DesktopX and Rainmeter desktop skins.
> >>
> >>     
> > ==========================
> >
> > yah ....... keep it like that ..... make fun of other peoples
> >
> > from their speed writing mistakes
> >
> > by the way ..... are we in gabrial iglesias  standup revolution
> >
> > or ... enlightinment serious discussion
> >
> > so .... please be serious
> >   
> 
> I've already commented at length about the only aspect to this
> that merits any serious discussion - perhaps you missed that?
> 
> But since you seem to want some serious critical feedback:
> 
> Think you there's any shortage of people out there with graphical
> user interface designs? How many do you see sending 'gifs' of their
> mockups to the e devel list?
> What makes you think your gif is so excellent, so much better than
> any other gui-shell designs out there, that people will go crazy over it
> and thus convince e17 devs to "get rid of this old fashioned desktop look"
> that those clueless e17 people have spent so much time constructing...
> and go with yours instead?
> 
> The point you should be embracing is not to force people to only
> accept e17's current 'old-fashioned' idea, or your cocky one, or some
> osx clone, or some gnomic notion, etc... but to empower designers
> such as yourself with the ability to do more than just show some gif.
> 
> It's to enable them to easily share such shell-skins so that others may
> actually try them. It might even be the case that if yours became very
> popular, then the e17 devs might decide to choose that as (one of)
> some set of 'official' default shells.

indeed that is a good point. the problem is - your "shell" thing wont do it. :)
what errr... "al" (lets use that as a short name as i can only make out
anything sensible from the email address... i'll have to call you "squiggles"
otherwise :) - no - i dont read arabic :)) seems to want is doable via
extensions (modules) to implement all the specific behaviour he wants. specific
modules already implement similar kinds of behaviour - engage, comp-scale etc.
what he wants is a unified thing i guess that does it all. great - go make
it. :) the problem is you're trying to go the next level... which is "what id
there are 50 designers all with awesome ideas - how do they package them up and
give them to people". that's your shell thing. and as such all of these are in
fact large blobs of logic (code) and so are not readily portable and shippable.
the best that can be done is offer a module and then alongside a profile that
enables it and configures it. the module cant sensibly ship with the profile
because it is not "just data". :)

so right now all of this is possible, but in 2 parts. make a module, then a
profile to configure it. :) i know i don't have the time to do ui experiments
myself. i'd rather not have some grand unified module here either but just
specific features you can turn on and off provided by a range of modules, not a
single one. so you can take and configure just one of the elements you like not
not have to take the rest. :)

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------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --------------
The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    ras...@rasterman.com


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