On 25/06/13 00:18, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:05:00 +0100 Tom Hacohen <tom.haco...@samsung.com> said: > >> On 22/06/13 02:42, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:04:32 +0100 Tom Hacohen <tom.haco...@samsung.com> >>> said: >>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> I often argue against adding new features (and bugs), libs, widgets, >>>> etcetera. >>>> >>>> I often explain my stance in a per case way. However I stumbled across >>>> this nice article which explains where I am coming from. >>>> >>>> You should probably read it, and hopefully be more conscious about it: >>>> http://firstround.com/article/The-one-cost-engineers-and-product-managers-dont-consider >>> >>> there's a project you'd love and adore. it's called gnome 3. remove all >>> possibly removable features and options. :) >>> >>> yes. features. code.. they cost more than just development. it's called >>> maintenance. s a project gets bigger (more code. more features) it requires >>> more manpower for maintenance. that's life. >>> >> >> You either mistakenly or intentionally got it wrong. I guess me writing >> E (while actually meaning EFL + E) was also confusing. >> >> Obviously if customizability is a main feature of your "product", those >> features are essential and should not be dropped. I was more talking >> about adding elm widgets just for the sake of it, or thinking about >> adding things. >> >> Also, I don't completely agree with everything he said, but it's still a >> good read and I think everyone should take some things from it. > > well his article makes a VERY strong point of "never add features.. ever!!!! > (unless you absolutely must and have no choice and can justify it)" in fact it > makes a point of removing features. it's a very gnome-like stance. > > yes - elm has too many. we need to refactor much of it to at least internally > be the same widget/core just with differing styles. toggle got refactored into > check at some point. we could refactor radio and check to merge. gengrid and > genlist should become one. etc. u may notice no new widgets have appeared in > elm for a while. > > this is also why we've talked about bob... punt off every little customization > off into snippets of lua... :) edje itself has also become a massive blob of > "features" too... and this is an attempt at finding a better way to manage our > feature-pile. > >
Exactly. I didn't mean this text should be followed religiously. I'm just saying, it's an approach people in the e world don't usually take, so it might serve as an eye-opener for them. Well, he makes a very strong point about never adding features, but I didn't mean it about e. I mostly thought about the EFL and API (the things that interest me) when saying what I said (more specifically elementary. ;P). -- Tom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
