On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 11:54:46 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:57:52 -0300 Lucas De Marchi > <lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi> said: > > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Carsten Haitzler > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, 04 Oct 2013 11:42:35 +0200 Bertrand Jacquin > > > <be...@meleeweb.net> said: > > > > > >> > steps 3, 4, 5, 6, 8... are an incantation. to be done in that > > >> > order. there is > > >> > --no-ff... and he series.. its a DEFINITE incantation. read up > > >> > on git as a > > >> > leaky abstraction. it is very much one. it forces peole to > > >> > learn a series of > > >> > incantations/steps all the time as opposed to just having a > > >> > single "do X" where > > >> > X is always the same series of steps. why do it by hand. why > > >> > have to LEARN by > > >> > heart and then of course get it wrong at times.... > > >> > > >> Officially, raster is now a high level manager ! > > >> > > >> Theses incantation are quite straight forward when you use git > > >> daily. Not at the first use, but become fast essential. > > > > > > i use git every day.. but i dont go making private branches and > > > merging them. even then, take a look at my aliases and scripts > > > dir. i fail to understand how many people survive doing > > > everything manually by hand. i see it all around me. they do the > > > full command like: > > > > > > ps -ef | grep X > > > > > > when i do: > > > > > > psg X > > > > > > why? i get tired of memorizing N steps or magic incantations. i > > > do NOT do: > > > > > > ./autogen.sh && > > > make && > > > sudo make install > > > > > > i do: > > > > > > cmi > > > > > > i never do: > > > > > > make && > > > sudo make install > > > > > > i do: > > > > > > mi > > > > > > why not use names like a, b, c, d, e...? I guess it would be easier > > for you to remember all the aliases. > > thats just silly. mi == Make Install. cmi == Configure Make Install. > see my original mail. i didnt say "make it gb" or "x". just dont ask > people to memorize a series of 5, 6, 7 etc. steps each with a > different git command and incantation with attendant option if you > want anyone to do things this way. > > > > > > > > > why? i can't stand having to memorize a tonneof obscure > > > incantations that make little sense outside of the leaky > > > abstraction that is git: > > > > > > http://steveko.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/10-things-i-hate-about-git/ > > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3891598 > > > > > > you may love doing it all by hand and find great pleasure in > > > twisting your brain to work and think like gits internals do, but > > > i do not. i want to perform a simple task and git turns it into a > > > job of remembering a magic incantation. i keep now having to > > > build scripts that wrap git stuff up so i dont have to do N steps > > > and maybe forget one. > > > > > > the same people who say "omg git is so awesome! it has git > > > bisect! svn sucks! it is the worst thing. it doesnt have bisect" > > > have a set of standards that think doing other SIMPLE stuff that > > > svn does in a single cmd is ok to break into a dozen steps in git > > > with a bunch of cmdline opts u have to keep looking up, and if in > > > svn i had to write a small script to do a bisect (which was > > > perfectly possible too) then svn insta-sucks. but having to wrap > > > up git or memorize a vast series of steps for everything u need > > > to do in git is perfectly fine and great! > > > > > > git is a poor tool. it's interface is poor. it does some cool > > > stuff - but as a tool it is poor. if you want people to follow > > > conventions/procedures, don't make them have to read your > > > powerpoint on them and study them and memorize the > > > document/process. (and the people here know what i'm referring > > > to). make the TOOL doe the thing for you obviously and simply. > > > for git that would normally mean patching it (not as easy), but a > > > simple wrapper does the job. don't define a document to describe > > > a process - encapsulate it in a simple tool (script). > > > > I was going to reply, but then the complaints became too > > entertaining. Instead acidx gave me this link that I'd like to > > share: http://usvsth3m.co.uk/javascript-under-pressure/torvalds.gif > > i'm happy for you that you love to memorize everything you do instead > of summarize and automate it. why use git? why not just calculate > your diffs by hand? it's oh so much more cool. much cooler than the > "i love git and everything it does exactly as it is" club is far less > cool than "i calculate my own diffs and toggle them in in binary via > switches" club. I'm even cooler, being in the "I write my diffs directly to my hard drive using a magnetised needle and a magnifying glass" club. Actually I'm really short sighted, I can skip the magnifying glass bit. B-) -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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